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🕰️TIMECODES
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00:38 Prize Idea #1
01:24 Prize Idea #2
02:04 Your Creative Programming Hacks
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04:55 Prize Idea #4
05:46 Prize Idea #5
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07:39 Box of Prizes (#8-25)

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TRANSCRIPT
00;00;00;04 - 00;00;25;00
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I've given away every single one of these prizes over my 15 years of youth ministry, during youth ministry and student ministry game time. And I'm going to share with you seven of my favorite and foolproof ideas. And then to round out the claim that the video, which says 25 youth Group Game Ideas. I am going to fill a bookshelf, which is, full disclosure 100%.

00;00;25;00 - 00;00;48;12
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
My friend Josh Bowman over at I Am His Idea. We're going to actually start doing this in our student ministry this fall. You get an opportunity to use the well, let me share how that works. All of this on this week's episode of the Hybrid Ministry show. And the first game idea that is foolproof is whichever team, whichever group, whichever table we set around tables in our context, whichever one of those wins, give them pizza.

00;00;48;12 - 00;01;09;14
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
The pro. It is always clutch, right? Nobody has ever said about winning pizza for the group of people that just that just won. The kind of pizza for the group is that it's expensive. And so over time, if you give away pizza every single week to every single game winner, it's not always the most sustainable strategy for your budget.

00;01;09;14 - 00;01;33;18
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so while it's an amazing thing to win, nobody, as you pastors maybe have the margin in their budget to give away pizza every single week, but as a one off for an elevated game, for something kind of fun, different pizza is always clutch. People who win are always pumped for it. Number two, foolproof idea that you can give away is a signed photo of one of your staff members, or yourself as the youth pastor.

00;01;33;18 - 00;01;50;25
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
The pro is free. It cost you nothing besides ink, which if you work in a church, you know printing things off the printer is basically the one perk of getting to work as a youth pastor with in office type perks. And so use that church ink, print it off, and then sign it and give it away. That's the pro.

00;01;50;25 - 00;02;15;19
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
It's completely free. The con well, I literally had a student one time say, I wish I would have one pizza like they did last week instead of this picture that you just gave me. So you do definitely run that risk. Hey, don't go anywhere. This is actually the type of stuff that I talk about over on my bonus podcast that drops every single Monday, every single week on my Patreon.

00;02;15;19 - 00;02;33;12
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Because what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to make programing more fun and more creative. I'm trying to break it every single week in a way that's different, though. We don't run the exact same service order time after time, and sometimes you just need someone else giving you ideas that you can hear, listen, and filter through into your own context.

00;02;33;14 - 00;02;58;12
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so for only $4 a month, a month, literally less than the cost of this cup of coffee, you can become a member of my hybrid Hero Patreon tier, which also gives you access to my three months Done for You seasonal social media pack, which will help you show up on social media. Because 95% of our teenagers 13 to 17 years of age are on social media, and so you get the opportunity to show up.

00;02;58;12 - 00;03;19;02
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
We're 1 in 3 of those teenagers say that they're on social media constantly to make an impact and make a difference in their lives. So head on over link in the description to my Patreon. Check it out today because that makes it the third full proof idea is a game winner card. So think like credit card. Like plastic credit card material.

00;03;19;05 - 00;03;43;10
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
You print those out and so you pay for that through like a printing agency. And actually, I have designed five different designs. And then I've put a bat so they're either like completely white or I've put them on a background. And so link down below. I have an entire guide to this episode, and included in that guide for free is a download with these ten different card, options and ideas.

00;03;43;16 - 00;03;59;27
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Grab them, print them. And then here's what we did. Anytime someone won, they got one of these cards. And then we created a little, currency. And so we said, if you have five of these, you get a free item at your cafe. Now, if you have if you don't have a cafe, you may have to figure out what the exchange rate is for something like that.

00;03;59;29 - 00;04;18;02
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
But they were a great motivator, right? Like they could hang onto those cards, they could collect them. They could save them. So the pro is it's like a one time costs. Right. But the other pro is that if you do use them, it's like a cafe redemption token sort of thing is that they're completely recyclable, like you'll get them back.

00;04;18;02 - 00;04;37;26
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so once you get them back in the cafe, then you turn around, you give them to your next game winner, you know, and then there's also like a hidden cost moment. So like you pay for them once and then out of the cafe proceeds is where the true like money exchange happens, but you don't feel it quite as much if you're giving it away as a member of your cafe.

00;04;38;01 - 00;04;57;13
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
The kind. Of course, if you spam this and you only ever do this, it can grow a little bit old. So, like, it might be something to keep in your back pocket as a go to when you don't have an idea. But then still, we've in some of these other, maybe more big ticket items like pizza for the entire group, or this fourth idea, which is the best seats in the house.

00;04;57;18 - 00;05;16;07
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
The pro this is it's incredibly easy and also pretty cheap. What you do is if you have normal rows, you create a couch and a VIP type section in your, ministry and you make more comfortable seats. And so the winning person gets to bring their friends, or the winning group gets to all go sit in best seats in the house.

00;05;16;10 - 00;05;35;12
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And if you have a way to, like, get a mini fridge or stocked with some snacks, or even give them pizza in that that best seats in the house. It's a really great way to make those people feel like VIPs for winning the night. The only con really is, just requires like a weekly setup. And so we don't do this every week, but we do reserve it every once in a while, occasionally for winners.

00;05;35;12 - 00;05;51;15
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so that way if you have those, like cards, for example, you give those three weeks out of the month and then the fourth week out of the month, you do like, let's say like a best seat in the house or something like that. The fifth option I have is give some sort of like money currency. Okay. The pro is similar to the card thing.

00;05;51;15 - 00;06;08;21
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
It's easy and it's cheap for us. We use a thing called a platypus book. The reason being that was the mascot voted on by our students over three years ago when I started here at this church. And so we put it on a dollar bill and the. You know, it's funny, I actually went to Canva to try and find a dollar template, and they won't even let you do it.

00;06;08;21 - 00;06;26;04
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
It's probably some, like, federal regulations. So I created a template. It looks like this. You can go get it over on my guide along with those cards as well. And then you can put whatever you want here in the middle for us, our mascot is a platypus. Maybe you, have like, a different mascot. Use whatever mascot you have.

00;06;26;09 - 00;06;42;08
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Maybe you want to put yourself in there. Go ahead, put yourself and you know, you could make it kind of like an office reference, like a Schrute book. And once again, you can figure out the currency. In our current context, a platypus book equals one free item from the cafe. So it's a worse exchange rate than those cards.

00;06;42;10 - 00;07;02;04
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
But again, it's just another like, another way, another idea. The con. Similar to the card game, it can grow tired. However, I will say students are motivated because they can win those and then they can redeem them instantly at the cafe that exact night or the exact time when they win the platypus book. The six idea is you can give away leftover merch or leftover swag that you have.

00;07;02;04 - 00;07;19;21
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Maybe from a camp, maybe from a retreat. The pro is. It's probably the most real prize if someone wins a genuine good t shirt. Like that's the best real prize that we've given away so far on this episode, the con is again, it might become a little bit expensive over time, and so you do have to make sure that you can kind of manage the budget.

00;07;19;23 - 00;07;39;05
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And then the seventh foolproof idea that has never failed me is a crisp high five or the satisfaction of winning once again, the pro, it's free. It's actually so cheap it doesn't cost your budget any money. The cons is that students might, over time, if they know that that's all they're going to win, might lose their drive to.

00;07;39;08 - 00;08;04;16
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Now, for those of you who are like incredible like payers of attention, you'll know that this episode said 25 prize ideas. And so what I want to do is I want to let you know that this idea came to me from my friend Josh Boardman, who got a cube storage sort of thing. And so I, I'm thinking maybe next fall to grab this one that you'll see linked here on screen.

00;08;04;16 - 00;08;23;22
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Also, the link is available in my guide to this episode where you can get all these different freebies. And, he said that what they did was they filled this, 18 cube. Maybe he had less, but we're going to try 18 cubes. And so over the course of like a semester or whatever, there's a different number of prize.

00;08;23;22 - 00;08;42;03
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So the winner gets one of the items from this cube box. And he said they just got like shoes or whatever. They numbered it. They labeled it. So the kid wins. And then either they get to pick numbers, say one through 18, or they, get to spin the wheel and then whatever the wheel ends on, they win.

00;08;42;09 - 00;09;01;10
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
You can either let it deplete over time so that by the end you only have one box left, or you can, replace it every single week. And so he said there were times where he'd forget and he'd throw something random that he found in the church to give away. And so it's a great way to add some mystique and some mystery, but also not blow your budget.

00;09;01;10 - 00;09;25;25
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Now, what I want to do is I want to react to this here in live time, because I'm going to say here in ChatGPT you can see the prompt if you're watching here on screen, help me come up with 18 hidden shoebox game price ideas that cost less than $5. Either it's laying around the church already or it's a cheap prize to put in a shoe box that goes in these 18 cube storage box shelves.

00;09;25;25 - 00;09;43;03
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Like, for example, here's a pro tip and this might be your 26th idea, Bollman said. Sometimes he would put a can of beans in there. So let's see what ChatGPT says. And then I'm going to literally these are spitting out right here in live time. I didn't rehearse this. I never put this in ChatGPT before. You're just gonna have to trust me.

00;09;43;09 - 00;10;05;25
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
But here we go. They said in the actually worth it. Anker wins. Give a $5 Chick-Fil-A gift card. Of course. Who doesn't love Chick-Fil-A Christian chicken? You can give full size candy bar bundles. So I said make it less than $5 so that this cost you less than $5. So these are your $5 actually worth it. $5 Chick-Fil-A gift card, full sized candy bar, a cold soda plus candy combo.

00;10;05;25 - 00;10;23;20
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
That's a great idea. Takis hot Cheeto bags. Our kids go crazy for this stuff. Energy drink, if that's appropriate for your group, ChatGPT says it's appropriate for ours. We sell Celsius in our cafe or a mini snack pack box. Now keep in mind of the seven options I already said they could win a platypus book. They could win a game card.

00;10;23;20 - 00;10;44;17
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
They could win a piece of paper that says best seats in the House, so you can recycle some of the seven ideas that we have in the shoe box. Ideas. Also, here's some like funny, right? Here's some trolls. According to I, one single mint, one ramen packet. A banana bonus is slightly brown. Now imagine we created these for 18 weeks of game winners.

00;10;44;19 - 00;11;03;12
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
We put a banana in at the beginning and it was the last one taken 18 weeks later. Months into the semester that would be discussing and hilarious old same time, a single slice of bread in a bag, a rock labeled pet Rock or a church fire, or old Bulletin that's laying around as a prize. Once again, this is where it comes in clutch.

00;11;03;12 - 00;11;21;07
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Sometimes they can be troll gifs, sometimes they can be actually good ones like Chick-Fil-A gift cards. We got mystery drink. So random soda flavor, weird dollar store toy off brand candy that no one recognizes, or a coupon that says trade this for a better prize. That's pretty funny. And then last 17 to 18. Skip the next game.

00;11;21;07 - 00;11;48;16
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So they automatically win the next round or 18. They get to control the room for the next 60s they get to sing a song or make a rule that's actually pretty funny. So these are 18 AI ideas. And what you could do is you can put them in, right, print them off, or go buy them or go obtain them somehow one time at the beginning of like a semester or like a certain session of time, and then put them in this 18 boxing or go nine box or whatever you want to do.

00;11;48;18 - 00;12;12;15
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So once again, like I said, this entire list is going to be included down in the link on Patreon. There'll be a link to the 18 bookshelf. There'll be a link to the nine, bookshelf or recycle one that you have at home or laying around the office that you don't need anymore. Wrap these up, put numbers on them, and either choose for the student to pick them and replace it every week, or let them spin a wheel and let the wheel decide which item they get.

00;12;12;15 - 00;12;37;07
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
But these are 25 amazing, foolproof, youth ministry game winner ideas that don't break the bank and are actually good and actually fun. I hope you guys found this episode helpful. If you did, what would be amazing is actually if you go check out the guide over on my Patreon, that really helps more than you can imagine. Or if you don't want to leave YouTube, click the like and click the subscribe button so that you don't miss the next video.

00;12;37;07 - 00;12;46;21
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In the next episode, which is episode 200, it's going to be amazing. But until next time my friends. And as always, don't forget. Stay hybrid.

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00:00:00:17 - 00:00:05:01
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Steal this brilliant idea this summer and then

00:00:05:03 - 00:00:08:00
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kick your feet back. You deserve it.

00:00:08:02 - 00:00:21:09
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I'm giving away this calendar, along with all of these graphics that you see right here on screen. For those of you watching on YouTube, welcome to the Summer calendar edition of the Hybrid Ministry Show.

00:00:21:11 - 00:00:25:09
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Well, hey everybody, welcome to the Hybrid Ministry show. If you and I haven't had chance to meet yet.

00:00:25:10 - 00:00:45:10
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My name is Nick Klassen. I'm a youth pastor in DFW, Dallas-Fort worth area. And, you know, 15 or so years ago when I started in youth ministry, I wouldn't have dreamed about doing youth ministry in the summer. However, summer midweek has actually become a staple, and I remember the first year where I became a believer in doing youth ministry.

00:00:45:10 - 00:01:02:07
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Over the summer I was up. It was like a Sunday night for our youth ministry, and I was teaching, and I looked out in the crowd and I saw a girl who I hadn't seen all year long, but she was able to show up in the summer because her, competitive dance, you know, practice took a break for the summer.

00:01:02:10 - 00:01:22:19
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so ever since that point, I've been a huge believer in summer youth ministry. Not to mention, like, we go to camp right at the beginning of our summer, May 20th 9th to June 2nd. And then to not have anything throughout the entire course of the summer just feels like such a wasted opportunity to capitalize and continue on some of that summer momentum.

00:01:22:19 - 00:01:46:15
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So whether you have summer youth ministry or not, these are going to be some different theme ideas. And if you do have summer youth ministry in particular Wednesday nights, I've done the heavy lifting because over the last several years, in our particular context of our church, similar to other places, have been the rest of the the church shuts down so kids ministry shuts down, adult groups shut down.

00:01:46:15 - 00:02:04:04
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All happen on Wednesday night in a normal, cycle. On Wednesday night, like throughout the school year. But we we come back for 5 or 6 weeks from about mid-June once, like our, camp recap night is over until the end of July. Take a couple weeks off, the first few Wednesdays in August, and then we're back,

00:02:04:11 - 00:02:06:10
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that third Wednesday in August.

00:02:06:10 - 00:02:22:23
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And it's like our back to school bash or whatever. So if you want to meet and do something over the summer, I have mapped out six amazing events. And what happened was a couple of years ago, we were kind of coming back and realizing that we needed to drum up some momentum because the rest of the church wasn't going to be meeting.

00:02:22:23 - 00:02:39:05
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And so we looked at the National day calendar, which, if you've never done that before, there's just wild amounts of national days. There's like 8 or 10 different options on some days of, of the month. And so since the dates change every single year, for the most part, we, can kind of do a different

00:02:39:05 - 00:02:41:04
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like theme throughout the summer.

00:02:41:04 - 00:02:58:00
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So we don't do themes throughout the regular year. But but during the summer will lean into different national days. And, and I've done the heavy lifting. I have found them for you. And so I'm giving away this calendar right here and and, you know, like on this calendar, right up here at the top is where we put like our summer camp.

00:02:58:07 - 00:03:17:28
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And then right here is where we do like our, our fifth grade VBS spot. You can like right in on top of this and any sort of design thing, Canva or Photoshop or PowerPoint or keynote. And then I send a transparent version after sticker mule to get a magnet printed. So. So go grab this. It's free over on my Patreon.

00:03:18:01 - 00:03:33:18
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But in this section right here, these are the summer Wednesday nights. And if you don't meet on Wednesday nights or you're not going to be leaning into these, this is where you can put something different, that, you know, down here is where I have like our our back to school time and then our Sunday morning, right down here at the very bottom.

00:03:33:18 - 00:03:54:05
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But, this is where I would put and where I did put our Summer Wednesday themes. Now, if you do have ones and you want to just like, adopt what I have to to give literally, I'm giving this to you. Steal these for the summer and they are yours. And if you have Wednesday nights, we start on the 24th of June, and then we skip the first for the 4th of July.

00:03:54:08 - 00:04:10:24
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And then we go through the rest of, of July, the eighth through the 29th. If you do want to meet on the first, I've added an option in there as well. And so, what's going to happen is I'm going to give you this episode now because some of you are planners and you need to get, you know, things printed and you need to get the ball rolling on some of this.

00:04:10:28 - 00:04:29:10
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Most so giving away every single graphic. And I'm going to rattle through what these different nights are. But on July or I'm sorry, on June 19th, I would encourage you to subscribe and turn the bell on on this YouTube channel because, you know, we drop an episode every single Thursday, whether it's, in your podcast catcher or on YouTube.

00:04:29:12 - 00:04:51:04
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So turn on notifications. I'm going to send you a reminder about the upcoming Wednesday night so that you can start getting working on, you can start planning, and then on the following Monday, over on my Patreon, my bonus show, I'm going to detail recap and outline how the entire night went. And I'm going to give you the service flow for the next upcoming night.

00:04:51:04 - 00:05:13:20
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So for example, you'll get the upcoming service flow over on Patreon, the Monday before the Wednesday night starts. So for the first one, world UFO day, I'm going to give you our entire service order. And what I always do on Patreon this summer, I'm going to, kind of like, lean harder into Patreon. So the Thursday shows are going to be quick hitters and just reminders about what's coming up.

00:05:13:23 - 00:05:17:14
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And then on Monday, we're really going to take a deep dive where we're going to answer what we did,

00:05:17:18 - 00:05:24:00
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what worked, what flopped, what I would change, and then give you the next week's assets. And here's my promise. I'm going to give

00:05:24:03 - 00:05:28:23
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you the entire service flow, everything I have planned for the upcoming Wednesday.

00:05:28:23 - 00:05:35:28
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So I'm going to give it to you with enough time for you to actually implement the ideas that we've already come up with in our youth ministry.

00:05:36:00 - 00:05:45:12
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All you got to do set the notifications, set the reminders, make sure you're subscribed, and you'll get these every single week. So I'll give you the service flow. I'll give you any

00:05:45:12 - 00:05:52:29
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of our plus up programmatic elements. For example, on one of the days being, National White

00:05:53:03 - 00:05:56:26
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Elephant Day, actually, it's not National Elephant Day. It's actually National Give Something Away Day.

00:05:56:26 - 00:06:11:24
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And we kind of branded it around White Elephant. We're going to do like a white elephant gift exchange thing in the middle of July. But I'm going to tell you exactly what we did, how we did it, and what other elements kind of went along with it, along with the service flow and also any other kind of plus up ideas.

00:06:11:24 - 00:06:22:22
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And then some are just going to be simple, like, yo order chicken wings on National chicken wing and National Lasagna Day. I'm also going to give you, any games, videos and elements. And here's my promise. Okay? I'm not

00:06:22:22 - 00:06:28:00
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going to create a custom or brand new, game every single week. I might for some, I might not.

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For others, it's pretty far out. I don't know exactly what I do. I'm not promising to make something custom and new for every single episode, but my promise is, if I created, a resource in any way, shape or form, I will link it in the podcast description for free for those in the Hybrid Hero Patreon tier. If it's newly created by me, I will give it to you.

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And whether it's released on dime or not, that's going to obviously be up to them as the gatekeepers. But I will give you early access. I'll just put drop box links and then if I am using something over on D, I am I will give you the link so that you can go grab it from them. I can't give that away.

00:07:03:26 - 00:07:07:02
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
It's theirs. Go give them the royalties. But I will link every single thing we

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do. I'm planning my youth services and I'm putting them out one week ahead of time on Monday, so I'll lay out the entire service flow. On Monday you'll have, Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday to implement that and then, operate on the same National Day schedule that I'm going to be operating on.

00:07:24:05 - 00:07:42:21
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So, like I said, the National Day calendar, if you so choose to participate, the 24th of June is World UFO day. I've got a graphic for it. You can use it. You can, use everything that we're going to do in our ministry. Then on the first is Canada Day. So hey, why not celebrate our neighbors up north, do some Canada themed stuff?

00:07:42:26 - 00:08:08:20
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Maple sirup. And, you know, was poutine and then do, like, a Canada themed game. It'd be super fun. National ice cream. Sunday is the eighth. The white Elephant day is, national give something away day. Pie approximation day is 22 divided by seven, which is, 3.14. That is, July 22nd. And then finally on the 29th is both National Chicken Wing and National Lasagna Day Stew.

00:08:08:20 - 00:08:32:14
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These ideas have been incredibly successful for us. I'm literally handing them over to you. The best way for you to access that is my $4 per month Patreon tier, where I drop my bonus podcast. It also gives you access to all of our social media packs. It also gives you access to my carousel engine. $4 per month for all of that is $8 for the summer months of June and July.

00:08:32:14 - 00:08:53:12
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Worth having everything in your programing from games to service orders and all of the creative elements. Is it worth it? You have to decide. I think it is less than $10 over the course of two months. I think it's a radically insane idea. Who says radical? I don't think I've ever said radical on this podcast before, but hey, it's episode 199.

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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I do wanna let you know I'm dropping this a little bit out of cycle and order. And so, next week and next episode is going to be the 200th episode, and then make sure that you set your notifications for the 19th of June, where we'll start rolling these out, and we'll start continuing to push all of these events and reminding you what's coming up on Wednesday and how you can grab the graphics and how you can lean in, and how you can celebrate these different national days on the Wednesdays.

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Of those of you doing youth ministry this summer, but until next time, my friends. And as always, I hope you found this episode helpful. If you did give it a like, give us a subscribe, share it with a friend, but don't forget to stay hybrid.

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🕰️TIMECODES
00:00 Social Media for Youth Ministry
00:39 The Guest Today?
01:53 Custom Social Intro
02:52 Done For You Intro
03:52 Why Done For You Social Media?
05:54 Why Custom Social Media is most effective
07:55 How Long Do You Spend on Social Media?
10:26 Have You Raised up Volunteers?
12:07 Done For You Closing Remarks
13:07 Custom Social Media Closing Argument

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TRANSCRIPT
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Youth ministry debates. Welcome to the

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fourth

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and

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debate

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episode.

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And

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in this one we are talking all things

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social media, and I'm debating none

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other than

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myself. And I'm going to be taking two different stances. Stance number one is going to be on social media. That is done for you. You download it out of a pack and you just set it and forget it versus social media.

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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
That is custom social media that has your own voice and your own face. And we're going to be going head to head. Myself versus myself. Welcome, everybody to the Hybrid Ministry show.

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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Well, hey everybody, welcome to the Hybrid Minister's show. If you've not been following along, we are currently at the tail end of a playlist where we've been exploring big youth ministry

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debates. And in this one, the debate is specifically centered around social media. And rather than trying to find another opposition or another person on the other side, I figured I would genuinely argue this position from each side of the social media aisle.

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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Done for you versus custom for you. And so when I'm wearing a

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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
black shirt, I'm going to be arguing

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packs that are done for you, that are set it and forget it. Think

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Sunday social, think

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nuclear social, think doing membership post.

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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And then when I'm wearing a white shirt.

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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I'm going to be arguing social media. That's custom, social media that has your own flair, social media that has your own voice in your own face. And so, just like we've programed every single one of these other debate style episodes, that's how we are going to

00:01:38:028 - 00:01:40:080
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
do this with a minute introduction and

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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
then two minutes of an argument, then a back and forth Q&A, followed by one minute of closing.

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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And welcome to the podcast to argue social media myself. Nicholas.

00:01:53:040 - 00:02:09:105
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Yeah. So minute on the clock. So I've been in youth ministry for 15.5 years. Started out small churches in Ohio. Always seen the value and need for social media, digital ministry. In fact, I read a book, or listen to a podcast about exiles in Babylon.

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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
It was a Barna book and talked about the value of YouTube and how the next generation is going to be asking some of the heaviest and most theologically based questions on YouTube.

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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So to kind of get my gears turning around YouTube, I started a little like YouTube through my church podcast, moved to a church in Chicago the first day Covid hit. And while we were there, obviously we had to come up with a digital and an innovative and innovative digital solution. And while we were doing that, it really like sparked my love, my continued love for social media, YouTube, and just digital ministry.

00:02:40:084 - 00:02:54:060
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so kind of ever since then, I've seen the value of it. I've seen the power behind doing a good job on social media. And then then I moved to Texas. Which next guy can take it away?

00:02:54:069 - 00:03:13:053
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Yeah. That's great. So I moved here to Texas in 2022. I came to be, one of my really good friends. His name is Darren. I came to be kind of like his right hand man and, learned a lot of stuff about digital and kind of poured into it and really, like, brought it to life here.

00:03:13:062 - 00:03:28:021
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
In where the in the current setting that I'm serving in, last summer. So about eight months ago, at this point, he stepped away to another role, at another church, and I took over and assumed his role, which is a lot more management, and it's a lot more meetings

00:03:28:021 - 00:03:34:114
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and a lot more oversight of people. And so my schedule looks like this on screen here.

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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
This is a screenshot of my schedule. I actually sent it to him last week complaining. And I'm actually getting ready to hand social media over to a resident because I'm running out of time, no matter how well I'm mapping out and blocking my time. Social media is great, but there are other things that are also taking my attention.

00:03:51:098 - 00:03:56:060
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So, excited to be with you today.

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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Yeah. Okay, so two minutes on the clock. So, I would say our goal as youth pastors is not to be content creators, not to be social media managers. But our goal as youth pastors and pastors in general, working in the church, our goal is to be disciple makers, and we should be implementing and facilitating, a system and a program that helps move students more meaningfully and significantly towards Jesus.

00:04:22:029 - 00:04:26:038
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so I know and I believe that social media

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obviously is still important, and I believe that it has a role within the life of the local church. But I also believe that we should be primarily focusing on making disciples. And my argument for why you should consider done for you. Pax is it just while it's important, while social media can be a mechanism for life change and for disseminating the hope and the message of the gospel, I also know that as my calendar gets more and more full, as my plate gets more and more stacked up, and as I have more and more of those proverbial plates spinning, so to speak, that social media

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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
is one of the first things to kind of like fall off my radar and so, yeah, so I believe in social media, but I also believe in delegation. And so if you can delegate that either through a team or through a,

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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
just downloading a pack of especially like if you're a member, you're already paying for it like it's included.

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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
You should go ahead and check something like that out because, while the while like, I believe that we're busy, I believe that social media is important. I also believe that our ultimate goal is to raise up leaders and to help point people towards Jesus. And so if social media is taking that away from me, I don't want to, become less effective as a disciple maker because of social media.

00:05:45:009 - 00:05:57:084
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so because of that, I would recommend that you grab something that's done for you, that's taken care of, and you don't even have to worry about it. And it frees up your time to be the best version. And pastor of you that you can be.

00:05:57:094 - 00:06:23:016
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Yeah. So I would say two minutes on the clock. I would say my argument is that in social media, the goal is not to just get your announcements or your information pushed through. It's it's a very, very small part of it. In fact, the goal on social media is engagement, which my argument would be as youth pastors, as ministry leaders in churches, our goal should be engagement across the board.

00:06:23:038 - 00:06:47:118
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
We would want people to engage not just with our church for the sake of engaging with our church. We would hope that they would engage with our church, and that's going to be helping to move and promote them towards and for life change. And so the same thing is true on social media. And just like every single time you're hanging out with a student at Starbucks, you're not only ever posting announcements in the same way that you're, or like you're hanging out at Starbucks.

00:06:47:118 - 00:07:03:107
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
You're not only ever talking about spiritual, so if you're talking about life, you're talking about fun stuff, you're talking about interesting things. And you see, you know, the latest neighbor gets a stand up routine, like whatever that might be. And I think the same thing should be true on social media. And I think you should have a custom fingerprint of our own church.

00:07:03:107 - 00:07:26:012
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Right. And so because of that, I think that helps drive engagement and so people respond to people, people like some of our best performing posts on social media, our faces, not graphics that we cooked up in Canva. And so the more we can get faces, my face, my leaders faces, my senior pastor's face and other students faces, that's the goal on social media.

00:07:26:012 - 00:07:52:046
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so in the same way, like announcements are good, graphics are good, done for you. Stuff is good. But Dunphy can only take you so far because if it's done for you, it means it's also done for many. And if you're just posting something that someone else has already made, that can be done at any given church in any given context across America, only you have been called to be the youth pastor and the shepherd of your church and the students that God has entrusted to you.

00:07:52:057 - 00:07:59:032
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So lean into the customization of that and use it to spread the message of good news and hope of Jesus.

00:07:59:041 - 00:08:09:022
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Yeah. Okay. So I have a question for you. Nick. White shirt. Nick, how much time do you spend on social media per week?

00:08:09:032 - 00:08:26:099
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Yeah, so let's see. Good question. I used to spend a lot of time on social media when I was editing our teaching videos. Probably took me ten hours a week between that, and then our other social media content, like our short form content, we finally built up our budget in such a way to be able to pay an editor, which I get.

00:08:26:099 - 00:08:46:069
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
That's a luxury. Not everybody has that. I would also say, like, if you have the potential to just, like, film yourself in the back of the room with a camera. Cameras have come a long way even since I started at this church in Texas. And so you could probably get a decent camera, a decent lens, and a decent like, just, what am I looking for?

00:08:46:069 - 00:09:01:017
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
An adapter into your soundboard? You can probably get that for a thousand $2,000. And again, you might have to work your way up for it. You might find a donor for it. If there is some money for it. But you can put a camera in the back of the room and you can film your messages, and you can use those for clips and stuff like that.

00:09:01:017 - 00:09:14:094
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And then I also come a long way. So to answer your question and spend a lot of time when I've done a lot of the work myself, but do things like opus clip link down below if you want to check that out. If you have some sort of long form version of your message without lower thirds is going to crop it out.

00:09:14:094 - 00:09:39:097
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Opus clip is an amazing solution that will give you clips and chunks of your teaching, and of your messages that you can sprinkle on all throughout social and listen. Maybe video is not even an option for you. Maybe just like record your sermons through soundboard and post to audio. Have an audio sermon like that's still a version of hybrid Ministry of Digital Ministry might not be the most effective just on social media, but there's even ways to do that where you have like the sound wave bar, right?

00:09:39:097 - 00:09:59:056
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And like you can do overlays and B-roll and, and you can do your slides and stuff like that as you clip up some of the things. So like, you don't have to be hamstrung by the equipment side of your, of your life. And then that being said, I built out a whole strategy. I owned it, but then as I've owned it, I've handed it off.

00:09:59:056 - 00:10:17:018
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So on the capturing and creation side, I have a whole team of students who are building that out every single Wednesday night. And then on the editing side, I have a whole team of students, and even some leaders and other staff members who are helping, do some of that. But I don't manage much of it anymore.

00:10:17:018 - 00:10:29:052
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So I would say in an honest assessment, I spend less than an hour per week and have a fully customizable social media, YouTube channel, Instagram, all those things.

00:10:29:062 - 00:10:33:003
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Yeah. I mean, my question to you, black shirted Nick would be like,

00:10:33:003 - 00:10:45:034
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I get that you were all about done for you, but have you considered raising up volunteers to give you a hand on some of these things as you've, you know, gotten busier and lost some of your time that you used to have?

00:10:45:044 - 00:11:21:066
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Yeah, actually, yes. I have raised up volunteers in in my space. And that's one of the reasons why, the done for youth stuff. I mean, I'm not so far down the done for you path. It's because of my own prep of raising up volunteers. So I have a couple of students, who I've raised up in who have taught how to run and do social media for themselves, and how they, can, come in at edit off of our computers, our machines, our software that we spend the money for that we've invested in.

00:11:21:075 - 00:11:43:079
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And they have my help, my troubleshooting ability. But if I didn't have them at this current juncture, I'm not sure that I would have as much time to devote towards, you know, five, five, days a week, two posts per day, ten, ten different pieces of content. Like, I don't know that I would have that amount of time to get something like that off the ground.

00:11:43:079 - 00:12:10:093
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So something that's a little more done for you, something that's just a little bit more turnkey. In my current role, with the amount of direct reports I have, with the amount of people that and meetings that I've found myself in. Had I not raised up those volunteers to continue to keep doing what I'm doing as I've stepped into this new leadership role and I'm not I'm not 100% sure how well I would be at launching a brand new hybrid in social media, like kind of ministry and campaign, like right now.

00:12:10:102 - 00:12:21:095
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Yeah. So final minute on the clock. My final closing argument is honestly my own social media pack. I don't mean for this to be like self-promotion and like a plug, but the fact of the matter is this is that I

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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
have a pack that has a whole done for youth section. In fact, I was just on social media not ten minutes ago, and one of the members from my cohort, I follow their youth ministry.

00:12:32:109 - 00:12:55:086
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I ran across a takes 60s to pray post. I ran across one that I had made and I had created myself. And so I saw another youth ministry. I saw another youth pastor use my content for their own students. And that's why I would recommend this, because sometimes you have the bandwidth, sometimes you have the margin, and sometimes you have the creative energy, but other times you simply don't.

00:12:55:086 - 00:13:09:101
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so you need something that's still good, that's still effective, and that's still going to push the mission of Jesus forward in your space, in your context, in your church. And you can do all that through social media and on your social channels.

00:13:09:111 - 00:13:30:062
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Yeah, right. So my argument is that social media is best when it's custom. People respond best to faces. And you, if you're the youth pastor, you've been called to shepherd your people, which also includes putting your face on your Instagram, on your YouTube, on your TikTok, and, shameless plug my done for you and custom for you social media pack.

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It will tell you, it'll give you filming prompts. It will give you man on the street questions with the graphics and the overlays so that your social media can be custom, but it doesn't have to break the bank financially or from a time standpoint. Check it out. Link down below in the description.

00:14:10:099 - 00:14:33:044
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Well, hey, thanks everybody for hanging out on this episode. And I think, and I hope that you're able to tell that my genuine answer is that, yes, it should be custom social media and that yes, it should be done for you. Social media. And I have the perfect tech to blend those two things together. There is information and a link down below in the show notes.

00:14:33:044 - 00:14:53:059
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
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But until next time my friends. And as always, don't forget to stay hybrid.

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🕰️TIMECODES
00:00 Pro or Anti Lock-in?
02:16 The Argument Against Lock-ins
05:14 The Busy Youth Worker’s Guide to Social Media
06:12 The Argument For Lock-ins
09:11 What Do You do if Kids don’t like boardgames?
10:56 Are Lock-ins only effective for Middle Schoolers?
12:16 What are the “risks” vs the “rewards” of a lock-in?
14:29 Do Lock-ins affect your Sunday morning attendance?
16:43 The Final Argument FOR Lock-ins
18:00 The Final Argument AGAINST Lock-ins
19:09 You decide - who won?

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TRANSCRIPT
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Well, what is up everybody? Here I am this morning with Andrew and my new friend Ellen. Good morning everyone. How are we doing this morning?

Ellen Partridge (00:10.995)
Doing good.

Nick Clason (00:12.802)
Hey, are you guys, do you have coffee yet in your systems or is that long gone? All right, okay. They're doing pretty good, right, Michigan State?

Andrew Jansen (00:12.964)
Doing fantastic.

Ellen Partridge (00:16.771)
We're on the first cut. Go Spartans.

Yeah, not as good as Michigan, which is a bummer, but...

Andrew Jansen (00:23.46)
They're doing good.

Nick Clason (00:25.73)
Mm, yeah. And this will drop after March Madness, so we'll all know. Comment down below, like how Michigan did. know, Michigan State, not Michigan. But I'm excited because today we are debating pro lock-in versus anti lock-in. And based on the two people that you see on your screen here, you can probably already tell who's pro lock-in.

Andrew Jansen (00:33.591)
it.

Nick Clason (00:50.9)
and who's anti-lock-in. And so I'm just so excited for you guys to get to, not only get to know these two amazing people, but also hear their positions on this. And so by random draw that happened off screen that you're gonna have to trust me because I'm a pastor and I get paid to tell the truth. Ellen, you get to go first. So one minute on the clock for you. Just introduce yourself, help the people understand your context, where you're at, how long you've been in ministry, all these types of things. Ellen, are you ready?

Ellen Partridge (01:18.751)
Absolutely. I'm ready.

Nick Clason (01:21.58)
Alright, take it away.

Ellen Partridge (01:23.455)
All right, everyone, my name is Ellen Partridge. I serve as the central pastor of students at Thornton Apple Valley Church. We are centralized out of Hastings at Michigan, southwest Michigan. And we are a multi-site church, but I've been in ministry for very close to two decades now. And we're in a rural context and a multi-site context. So things are a little bit different for us versus just the single site.

And when I think about lock-ins, the thing that always comes to mind is the Halt analogy. If you're hungry, if you're angry, if you're tired, what are the things you shouldn't do, which is make decisions. And so we're gonna put students in a room where they are locked in together. You got the ones who, I have a kid in my youth ministry who at camp asked me if I could move our bedtime up to 9 p.m. I let him know that wasn't a thing, but you've got those kind of kids, and then you've got the kids who have snuck in.

all their energy drinks and are going to be up till four in the morning. And those kids that are up are going to be picking on the kids that don't want to be up, that want to be sleeping. And then you've got a lot of that interpersonal conflict that is going on within that. And you're putting that all into a giant space where you're having to entertain them and or keep track of them as they are, you know,

coming up with all of these grand ideas of how they're going to use their time. And I remember back to my youth group days, our youth ministry actually met in a old YMCA building, and for some reason, they did not lock the doors to the locker rooms, and then that locker room led to a empty pool. And I can't confirm or deny if there were children conceived in that pool, but there probably were.

And it was coming from opportunities where we did lock-ins and they let us all throughout this building with lots of classrooms, lots of spaces that should have been locked that were not. And so from that perspective of hungry, angry, tired, lack of ability to, you know, keep an eye on all the students and all the places, I am very anti-lock-in.

Nick Clason (03:43.896)
Well, there you go. Andrew, she blew past introductions just straight into arguments. Brother, she's coming for you, right? Like she is coming in hot. So, Ellen, great argument. Man, I hope no students, babies were conceived in that pool. I don't ever want to swim there. Andrew.

Andrew Jansen (03:49.24)
yeah, just right past it. Yeah, she went right past it and that's okay.

She's coming in hot, yeah, for sure. It's okay.

Ellen Partridge (04:10.12)
Me too.

Andrew Jansen (04:12.365)
Yeah, it's gross.

Nick Clason (04:13.838)
Tell us why Ellen's wrong and why lock-ins are a great idea. But first, give us a little bit of intro as you go. Are you ready, my friend? Let's go, take it away.

Andrew Jansen (04:28.345)
ready. Yeah, hit it. My name is Andrew Janssen. I am a middle school pastor in Manhattan, Kansas. Sorry, a couple years ago, we did play Michigan State and I know you probably knew that but we have nothing to talk about sports wise, hardly at all right now. So that's okay. But I love K State. I love serving in Manhattan. I am 36 years old. I've been a youth pastor for 10 years and

I really love getting to be in Manhattan, getting to work with college students that invest in middle schoolers. That's kind of my passion. And man, I love lock-ins. just, it works within the context of our church is about 1900 people and we work with multi buildings on our campus, but not multi-site, but.

It is just set up in a really easy way to execute and make lock-ins happen. And especially in our season right now where we have, and it changes, we have college students that graduate, but we have like 17, 18 youth coaches right now. And a lot of them enjoy staying up super late. And so it just really worked in this season to be able to have enough people there for a safe lock-in to happen.

Middle schoolers are crazy and love staying up all night, love getting to be like, you can be at the church besides Sunday and Wednesday. And just, it was just really, really awesome. We did a New Year's Eve lock in and they just have so much fun. There's opportunities for fellowship, board games, long extended times that maybe you don't get that opportunity to play through an entire game of exploding kittens or taco cat.

Mahomes cheese pizza, not taco cat goat cheese pizza. We all know Mahomes is the goat. But we play taco cat Mahomes cheese pizza and you get through two rounds and it's time for youth group to start. So we get to play through those games, have those conversations and invest in the students moving forward.

Nick Clason (06:40.494)
Great. All right, well there you have it. Like there's, each of you have laid down the gauntlet with your position, right? Andrews is based upon board games. Ellen's is based upon pools being present. And so with those two things in mind, plus everything else, do either of you have a question for the other that we can debate in a little bit more of an open forum?

Andrew Jansen (06:55.097)
You

Ellen Partridge (07:10.974)
All Andrea, I got one for you. So what do you do with the kids who are not your board game kids? What are your other activities that you're able to do? Because it sounds like you're pretty board game heavy. So how are you keeping the other kids occupied that are not interested in your board games?

Andrew Jansen (07:27.929)
Absolutely. I have, I try to make sure that every single second is accounted for at a lock-in. We have intentional time where it's like, they get to choose. We have our youth building has like carpet ball, foosball, ping pong. We have not a Nintendo switch too, but two Nintendo switches, which is kind of confusing, definitely. But so we have like Mario Kart and Smash Bros going.

Nick Clason (07:49.902)
That could be confusing,

Andrew Jansen (07:56.882)
I really try to get them away from screens as much as I can because we all know that battle. yeah, trying to have every single second with like some sort of activity, some sort of competition tournament. The last time I was on with Nick, we talked about the Assassin's like meta ongoing game that happens throughout the evening and having things like that where there isn't an opportunity to be bored.

really, really is effective with middle schoolers. Because once you were right, once they're bored and exploring and they find a pool and we know what happens next, like there's just something about an empty pool. So, but with middle schoolers, that's not so much like the sneaking off and having that happen. I think that's more of a high school situation, but I just try to make sure every single second is accounted for. And that kind of helps with, you know, not having that boredom.

board game time for the students that don't like board games.

Ellen Partridge (08:57.362)
And notice you keep saying middle school. You're not mentioning high school. So are you saying that lock-ins are only good for middle school or would you do one with high school?

Nick Clason (09:06.072)
Good question.

Andrew Jansen (09:06.325)
I would, that is a great question. I would do a, I would do a high school lock in for sure. I think that you do run that risk. They are a little bit more like, I can kind of put on the dad voice like the, Hey, what are you doing? And they'll just like freeze as a middle schooler. They still, you know, we'll listen to authority when it yells at them. So with high school, they're kind of a little bit more independent, a little bit more calloused and a little bit more.

Like on their own I consider I always use this analogy of like middle schoolers are like dogs and high schoolers are like cats Like dogs are just happy that you're there and happy that you see them high schoolers. You kind of have to earn that relational like equity and I would say yes have a lock-in with high schoolers, but only do it if you have the resources and the adult volunteers and also if you're like

this group is just like, this is a crazy group of high schoolers. It's not always a green light for that specific group of high schoolers if you just feel like that wouldn't be good. Does that make sense?

Ellen Partridge (10:16.934)
Yeah, it's good argument.

Nick Clason (10:18.464)
Andrew, you got a question for Ellen?

Andrew Jansen (10:22.763)
Yes, what do you feel is, like, I want you to tell me what is the, like, risk reward trade off where you feel like, hey, this is too risky to have a lock in for this type of reward.

Ellen Partridge (10:35.422)
Mmm.

Ellen Partridge (10:45.35)
Yeah, it's a great question. I would just say I'm a big fan of like doing late night activities, hanging out super late. The thing that gets me and where I feel like the risk comes in is once you hit that one, two, three, four a.m. that even, and you mentioned that you've got college leaders. I don't live in a college town and so I mostly have adult leaders. And so for me,

I know my adult leaders are not gonna be on their A game coming into that situation. And so for me, the risk in my context is a lot higher that my leaders are gonna start maybe losing their minds or going stir crazy or sleep deprivation is gonna kick in. And it's gonna lead to students, because they're curious, ending up doing things that they don't need to do. And so for me, I would rather do a thing where it's like, hey, we're hanging out till midnight. Your parents are picking you up.

and then maybe we do something again the next morning because then I know they're getting sleep, my leaders are getting sleep, and it also means that I'm not putting them at risk, I'm not putting my leaders at risk. And so for me, there doesn't seem to be necessarily, yes, there's the connection reward, but I wonder if that's always overshadowed by the sleep deprivation, the angry, hangry situations that can come up and also,

I worry for my adult leaders that they're gonna say something out of their own sleep deprivation or frustration after telling the same kid eight times not to do something, that it may end up ultimately hurting a relationship that was good, and then they make a good relationship with someone that they had a bad relationship with, and so you're kind of at a net zero, is kind of how I look at

Nick Clason (12:32.078)
I just feel like the ultimate fact that like, I would rather sleep in my bed at two o'clock in the morning. Like that's my strongest argument for anti-lock-in. Just shooting straight. Plus I enjoy Saturdays and if I am doing a lock-in, I don't know. Also, Andrew, question for you. Do you ever notice that your Sunday morning attendance is affected post a lock-in weekend?

Andrew Jansen (12:32.345)
Definitely fair.

Andrew Jansen (13:02.165)
for sure. I mean, I tell my youth coaches, like, hey, you were just at church for 15 hours. It's OK for you to sleep in. I'll be there because I work there. And students, a lot of times parents will bring them and they might fall asleep or something during a message.

Nick Clason (13:04.027)
hahahaha

Nick Clason (13:13.787)
Yeah

Yeah.

Yeah.

Nick Clason (13:28.622)
Yeah.

Andrew Jansen (13:29.079)
Yeah, think it happens. There are definitely repercussions to having a lock-in, but I just think that there's just a lot of... I've seen so many good things and good conversations and relationships start at lock-ins, and it's just with a certain unchurched group of students, it's just an easy invite. It's just an easy win to get them there.

Nick Clason (13:45.091)
Yeah.

Nick Clason (13:50.382)
Yeah, which and I hear you like Sunday morning, it's like, okay, like, yeah, they didn't come on Sunday morning, which is like the senior pastor's goal. But like we had a lot more effective and fruitful time than like them sitting through a sermon or whatever, like through the lock-in and you know, the times I have done lock-ins, like it's almost always one of the number one most attended events from friends. Like we get, we would have some of our biggest.

Ellen Partridge (14:12.242)
Mm-hmm.

Nick Clason (14:16.75)
numbers and biggest reach, you know, as far as outreach is concerned. So I definitely do see like both sides for sure. So those of you listening, you're about to get your opportunity to vote. Ellen, you went first last time. Andrew, we're gonna put a minute on the clock now for you. Give us your final one minute strongest argument why Y lock-ins. Are you ready, my friend? Take it away.

Ellen Partridge (14:30.173)
All right.

Andrew Jansen (14:42.008)
I'm ready.

Lock-ins are definitely the easiest first step in the door with a church. If you have the right resources, if you have the right volunteers, and you have a solid game plan going into it, you know your group of students. I think middle school or high school, it is an easy invite for the unchurched students. And that is kind of the lens in which I plan a lock-in.

I don't have the whole bait and switch. Like we're going to talk to them about Jesus Christ, their Lord and savior first thing, and then just have the rest of the lock in. It is, hey, building connections, being intentional and teaching the students. That's why we're doing this. Like, Hey, we're doing this so you can bring that friend, start that relationship. And so that they associate church with fun, with safe, with

They feel welcome and feel like they belong. There's something different happening here. And our hope is that continues on.

Nick Clason (15:47.81)
Great, almost a buzzer beater, but not quite. All right, Ellen, you get the final word, final say, anti-lock-in. Go ahead, take it away.

Andrew Jansen (15:50.839)
Almost.

Ellen Partridge (16:00.572)
All right, as fun as lock-ins can be in the memories that are made, the risk of students having bad memories, whether it's a leader who loses their cool, it's another student who says something they wouldn't have said because they're sleep deprived or because they're overtired, to me just doesn't equate to the reward. I am much more on the side of let's do a long.

evening event where maybe we can start at six or seven and parents are picking up at midnight. So we're still getting that opportunity to connect with them, to have those great conversations, to have an opportunity for them to invite their friends. But at the same time, when it hits two, three in the morning, our leaders and our students are home in their beds, getting the sleep and the rest that they need. And hopefully, because they had a great time.

We're gonna be able to see them on Sunday morning and they're able to stay plugged into that larger church community opposed from being just separate from the youth ministry.

Nick Clason (17:05.023)
Nice, nice. Another almost buzzer beater. Well, there you have it, my friends. You have your pro lock-in versus your anti lock-in debate. And so you guys get to be the decision makers. Those of you watching, let us know, comment down below. But without any further ado, we're gonna get out of here. For Andrew and for Ellen, I'm Nick. Thanks for watching everyone. See you next time.

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🕰️TIMECODES
00:00 Do older or younger leaders connect better with students?
01:32 Meet the Older Leaders vs Younger Leader Debate Contestants
04:38 Older People are Better Youth Ministry Volunteers
07:09 Younger People are Better Youth Ministry Volunteers
09:43 Can you clarify the emotional stability for older volunteers?
10:52 How should a busy youth pastor respond to social media?
12:54 Do younger people ever prove to be less reliable?
17:08 Closing Arguments

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TRANSCRIPT
Nick Clason (00:01.062)
What's up everybody? Here we are. I am with Jacob and Tyler. Gentlemen, how we doing this morning?

Jacob (00:07.712)
Doing good. It's good.

Tyler Johnson (00:08.579)
Doing so good.

Nick Clason (00:09.93)
Have we both already had coffee or is that after this is over?

Jacob (00:15.057)
I just finished my cup, so I'm all set.

Nick Clason (00:17.18)
Okay.

Tyler Johnson (00:17.454)
I had tea because I'm a tea guy.

Nick Clason (00:19.708)
Hey, there you go. Who knew? The more you know. Comment down below your favorite brand of tea for Tyler. But we're going to let each of you have a moment. I don't want to get too far into this without you guys letting us know who you are. So by random draw that happened off camera and you're just going to have to trust me because I'm a pastor and I get paid to tell the truth. Jacob, you get to go first and introduce yourself one minute on the clock. Are you ready, sir?

Jacob (00:19.826)
Yeah.

Jacob (00:48.273)
Yeah, yeah, I can do a lot in a minute, let's do it. All right, yeah, my name is Jacob Hayes. I'm a student pastor for the chapel in Wisconsin. So I work with our three campuses in Wisconsin and our main campuses in Whitewater, which is UW College Town. So I get a lot of college students and it's fun to work with them. And yeah, it's just been great. See, I did it in under a minute.

Nick Clason (00:50.218)
All right, let's go.

Tyler Johnson (01:08.02)
you

Nick Clason (01:11.85)
19 seconds what a right I don't think any youth pastor has ever come in that short on their time, but my friend Impressive stuff right there Tyler the bars been set bro

Jacob (01:19.858)
There you go.

Nick Clason (01:27.56)
Alright, are you ready Tyler? Let's go!

Tyler Johnson (01:28.974)
I'm so ready. I will take more than 19 seconds because I read that in debate it matters to take your full time. So my name is Tyler 2 Wall Johnson. The rest of that context doesn't need to be known because I don't think I can tell it in the remaining 40 seconds that I have. I am currently in Fort Wayne at Christ Hope Ministries and Church.

I have only been here for about a year. was at my previous church for about eight years and I have had a fair balance of both young and old volunteers in the ministries. And so as I come today, ready to bear the fight and the voice of the older people, as there was another person in our retreat that the three of us had had recently who strives to be an older person.

Jacob (01:54.899)
Okay. Okay.

Tyler Johnson (02:20.556)
I cannot wait and so I am ready to defend the old today. Done.

Nick Clason (02:27.41)
Nice, great work. wait, I got distracted. There we go. I almost didn't give you credit for that because I laid the remote down.

Tyler Johnson (02:37.101)
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, let it be known that it was about 56 seconds.

Nick Clason (02:40.714)
Strong work, man, both of you strong work. All right, well, now that we thoroughly know everything and we know the bare minimum of Jacob's life, let's get this show on the road. So once again, by random draw, Jacob, since you went first on the last one, that means Tyler, your position that you're getting two minutes to argue is that older people are better youth ministry volunteers.

Jacob (02:51.398)
Okay. Okay.

Nick Clason (03:10.282)
and you're about to have two minutes on the clock. Are you ready?

Jacob (03:11.346)
Okay. Okay.

Tyler Johnson (03:14.54)
I will take one minute and 59 seconds.

Nick Clason (03:16.99)
Alright, well then my friend, take it away.

Tyler Johnson (03:20.522)
Yes, I am here to debate that for older volunteers, here's number one. They bring long-term faithfulness and not just energy. They model a future version of faith. They're often more emotionally stable. I do say that as a once young person, kind of middle-aged. What is 30? Am I young middle-aged or am I old young? I don't know. That's for later. I'm in my debate time.

Jacob (03:42.345)
. Thank

Tyler Johnson (03:50.955)
Here's one of the probably the biggest that I have seen more personally outside of just reading from my notes and it's this. There is more ownership with the maturity, not just ownership of the ministry, but there's ownership of the tasks that they have. Not only do they see the ministry as their own or maybe their small group as their own and the ability to without asking permission or even sometimes without asking how.

Nick Clason (04:01.514)
Hmm.

Jacob (04:13.129)
.

Tyler Johnson (04:18.508)
They're going to go in and say, like, you know, they're going to grab the lunches. They're going to grab the coffees. I don't have to hold their hand for some of that. At the same time in ministry, if they are teaching a lesson, if they are preparing small group questions, it is theirs. They want to own it. And they might want feedback over some of that, but they're going to have ownership of it. In the same way, finally, there's a lot of ownership of their faith. As a young adult, even a young

Jacob (04:36.369)
Okay.

Tyler Johnson (04:47.052)
volunteer. I do believe someone is supposed to have a Paul and a Timothy at all times, even into their older years. But there's a lot of times that that those 20 somethings, they are still looking very heavily towards their Paul. And so with the the 40s, I would say arguably older ministry volunteers is probably 50 up. They they have experienced that mentorship role and are more willing to be the Paul than needing to be the Timothy. Done.

Nick Clason (05:18.782)
Fantastic, strong work. Jacob, the bar has been set, my friend. He brought in the Bible and everything, so it's now time for you.

Jacob (05:19.344)
There you go. That was good.

Jacob (05:25.413)
Here we go.

Tyler Johnson (05:28.446)
shoot, I should have used the Bible.

Nick Clason (05:33.5)
It's that time for you to argue your side of the aisle, though you guys are friends. You once were friends. Will you still be friends after this, Jacob? Two minutes on the clock. Take it away.

Jacob (05:35.44)
Here we go.

Jacob (05:45.85)
Go for it. Yeah, so I want to clarify before I offend anybody that's 35 or older, that I'm 29, so 30 and above is still in the older mark for me. But I think there's something that younger volunteers provide that can't be replicated anywhere else. And that first thing mainly is just proximity. Proximity to culture, life stage, proximity to what students are actually experiencing right now.

You know, they remember what it was like to sit in the cafeteria awkward wondering about what they're going to do with their lives. Not 25 years ago with a completely different generation, but just a couple years ago. I think the other thing that it provides is you get you get volunteers. Students look to those younger volunteers and they see a hope, not just a hope that's like, man, 45, 50 years from now, this is where I can be. But there's a hope of OK, faith can actually survive past high school like.

faith can actually thrive in a college setting because I'm seeing college-age young adult students or young adult leaders actually engaging and figuring it out. And they don't have all of the answers completely. But I also think that that provides a comfortability of freedom to the students that go like, hey, it's okay if I'm not hitting college-age and I have all of the answers because they're still trying to figure out what they're gonna do. And that's okay, it's a process. And they can kind of have hope in that. And then the younger leaders can speak into that a little bit for them and give them a sense of,

going be okay, you've got time to process some of these things and they can do that together. I think the other thing is that it builds a leadership pipeline. know, for all the pros that Tyler's talking about, for the older volunteers, you don't get there without some of the without starting at some point. And so you got to start as a young leader, use the skills that you have at the time and then work your way up to a place where you can be a a Paul instead of just a Timothy. But also remember that

Tyler Johnson (07:31.562)
you

Jacob (07:34.745)
Paul called Timothy when he was super young into a step of ministry. It wasn't that, let's get you to a certain age, but it was right there in that moment. Done.

Nick Clason (07:45.086)
Great. So each person, each member of the defense, I don't know, this isn't court, has presented their side. Does anyone have a clarifying question for the other person to try and understand their side of the argument maybe a little bit better?

Tyler Johnson (07:56.747)
you

Jacob (08:10.063)
Yeah, I'll go. Clarify a little bit on the emotional stability of older volunteers. I'm not saying I disagree. I just want to hear the specific strength that comes from as an older volunteer, because I think it's possible the younger volunteers can be in a place where they're emotionally stable. But maybe I'm missing the angle that you're coming from.

Tyler Johnson (08:21.194)
Yeah, I think that older volunteers can react less dramatically to maybe sometimes it's student behavior or something like that, as well as even when there are storms in their personal life, I think you'll see someone who's

Jacob (08:40.374)
Here you go.

Jacob (08:46.447)
Yeah, that's

Tyler Johnson (08:50.249)
keep a more calm sense in them more than when the storms of life are hitting a young person.

Nick Clason (09:00.648)
Tyler, you got one for Jacob?

Tyler Johnson (09:02.845)
I'm gonna come up with one, but I really liked Jacob's take. No, no, no, no, no, I didn't admit guilty, I'm just saying, it was a good point. Talk to me some about, obviously with the older crowd, took the stance of there's some high reliability.

Nick Clason (09:05.608)
Yeah.

Jacob (09:10.84)
Did he just admit on here that I won or we live over?

Nick Clason (09:16.126)
Ahem.

Tyler Johnson (09:29.917)
Talk to me about the lows of reliability in young people and if that has been an experience that you've experienced.

Jacob (09:36.093)
I mean 100 % although I would also argue that I've that I've worked with older volunteers who are sometimes just as as unreliable as as younger volunteers and so it's a little bit of a balance I think One of the things that all that I'll say and I'll push a little bit on the younger volunteers compared to older volunteers if I'm doing a and I'm hoping that all of us are in agreement that this is a horrible idea if I'm doing an overnight event right, I'm getting the young guys who can

pound two red bulls and eat Taco Bell and go run with the kids then get the older volunteers to go, hey, I need you to go run around for a whole night and interact. And so there's a little bit of an energy there that they can provide. And I totally agree. think there's the emotional stability thing is super important. I do agree. think older volunteers are a lot more calm, especially in situations where like we need calmness and direction in terms of crisis, both in our lives and then also just in the craziness of Wednesday nights, we need a little bit of calm.

Nick Clason (10:05.866)
Yeah.

Tyler Johnson (10:29.225)
you

Jacob (10:30.03)
But I think at some point you're not going to be able to, they're not going to be able to learn that, the young leaders, unless they're in it first and see the older people do it. And so they have to experience that so that way they can also learn how to get there.

Tyler Johnson (10:41.503)
I do, so what's really fun is talking about the overnight, right? Because we've all been there. Sometimes it's not about just the evening, it's about the recovery. I've known some young people who pounded those two Red Bulls and then afterwards, like the next day, they are a frail Victorian child on their couch.

Jacob (10:45.549)
Yeah.

Jacob (10:53.095)
Yeah, that's right.

Jacob (11:03.021)
True.

Tyler Johnson (11:03.857)
And some older people who are like, I got my coffee and I'm going to work today. And I'm like, you're insane.

Jacob (11:11.511)
Fair enough.

Nick Clason (11:12.522)
Well, and younger people have like sometimes their life lends itself better for recovery. They're like, I will be sleeping all day Saturday and it doesn't matter. And older people are like, I have a family and we have an upward basketball game that we have to be at at 9 a.m. You know what I'm saying? And so there's definitely like there's some of the availability piece of maybe like a younger person, but there's maybe some of the wisdom piece of the older person.

Tyler Johnson (11:30.407)
Absolutely.

Nick Clason (11:41.726)
Which is probably why this is a terrible argument to have a either or stance on, right? Like that's probably why it's helpful and beneficial to have a good blend of both, right? And so that doesn't make for a strong YouTube title, but it does make probably for good youth ministry to have a good blend of older volunteers and younger volunteers because you can certainly see the pros of both sides. And let's be honest, you can also see the cons.

Jacob (11:48.783)
Yeah.

Jacob (12:05.888)
For sure.

Nick Clason (12:11.89)
of both stances of the argument.

Tyler Johnson (12:14.44)
Yeah, and to be honest, I figured that was the point anyway, right, is to have the balance. even for the older people, the idea is not they are not just mentoring the students, they're mentoring the younger leaders. There's so much wrapped up. Jacob said it, there's a pipeline. You don't get to be the older volunteer without at one point probably being also the younger volunteer. And realistically, as the younger volunteer, as I was a younger volunteer,

Jacob (12:16.813)
Yeah.

Nick Clason (12:18.023)
You

Nick Clason (12:27.114)
Hmm.

Nick Clason (12:39.241)
Yeah.

Tyler Johnson (12:44.155)
There were volunteers that I looked up to that said, man, I want to do discipleship that way. want to do, man, I want to have their presence when my life looks like their life.

Jacob (12:44.301)
Sounds like I'm I'm winning now this thing

Nick Clason (12:54.652)
I was gonna say objection to the pipeline because like what's the point of a pipeline? You don't actually want them past 30. So like just burn them out bro and then.

Tyler Johnson (13:03.848)
Are you? I'm sorry, Mr. Host, are you taking a stance? I don't feel good about this.

Nick Clason (13:07.816)
No, I was just, I was just.

I was just playing a counterpoint. All right.

Jacob (13:15.353)
You

Nick Clason (13:18.014)
Final arguments, are we ready? So I believe since Jacob went first on the last one, Tyler, is that right?

Jacob (13:24.204)
That's right.

Tyler Johnson (13:30.001)
I went first on the last one.

Nick Clason (13:31.484)
since Tyler went first on the last one by random draw that you'll have to trust. Yeah, I'm pastor. Jacob, one minute on the clock to defend your younglings. Are you ready? All right, take it away.

Tyler Johnson (13:37.148)
You're a pastor.

Jacob (13:45.366)
Yeah, I'm ready.

Yeah, think, yeah, close that out. I think it's also like you see the students that get to see the younger leaders engage, that gives them a hopeful passion and you can plug those guys in when they graduate into your middle school programming, right? And then that's where they can learn even more. And so it's not just you have these students from...

It would be great. It would be a great world to live in if they if every single one of them came in in sixth grade and stayed until senior year, right? But we know that that some of them come in in their in their senior year or junior year or anywhere in that spectrum and you think well only have a certain amount of time right? Well these younger leaders can pour into these people and help them figure out their gifts. So maybe it's being called into ministry. Maybe it's being called into something else or jumping into serving in student ministry to see where they feel like where their spiritual gifts are right? And those can happen at a young age rather than going well I'll just figure it out when I'm 30 and go from there.

Tyler Johnson (14:44.966)
Thank you.

Nick Clason (14:45.256)
All right, well done. Let's round it out, Mr. Tyler. Older people are better than younger people as youth ministry volunteers because...

Tyler Johnson (14:51.174)
I'm ready.

Tyler Johnson (14:57.201)
The last point I want to make for older volunteers is the vision casting as well as the decisions they make are generational. There are times that think with younger people they planned sometimes as little as like they're ready for next summer, they're ready for the next summer conference, they're ready for the next big event. When a lot of the decisions in ministry that is done from some of the older volunteers is they are thinking the long term, they are thinking about the students when they're getting to their

late 30s, 40s, 50s, and how they can pour into them. They have that vision of the five-year plan and not the one-year plan. And I have found that incredibly valuable, especially when establishing a ministry for even me to go to them and have those long-term vision casting conversations about the ministry. Done.

Nick Clason (15:53.61)
Well done, there you have it folks. Old volunteers versus young volunteers. Let us know down below who won and whose side you're on. We should probably put like an old person emoji for one person and a child emoji. Yeah, yeah, then you, yeah.

Jacob (16:08.121)
And then put me

Tyler Johnson (16:09.657)
I just assumed that there was a filter you're gonna do in post that like I'm 90 right now.

Nick Clason (16:17.13)
Oh, I'm good, but I might not be that good, I mean. Yeah.

Tyler Johnson (16:21.336)
Okay, I'm just like, well, one, I kind of wanted to see it. I wanted to see like the really greys, like my grandfather had a very good head of hair even in his 90s. So like, I'm hoping that sticks. Yeah.

Jacob (16:24.142)
You

Jacob (16:32.978)
That sounds nice, that sounds really nice,

Nick Clason (16:34.154)
Way to rub salt in the wounds there,

Jacob (16:39.946)
That's right.

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00:00 The Same or Different Small Group Leaders
02:33 Meet Stephen
04:25 Meet Isaac
05:25 Students should keep the same leaders
08:02 Students should change to different leaders
10:08 What if a student doesn’t like their leader?
11:56 What about Social Media?
13:05 How do you discern when to move a student?
16:21 How many leaders in each group?
20:08 The Ultimate Small Group Win
22:28 New Leader Every So Often Closing Statement
23:22 Same Leader Every So Often Closing Statement

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TRANSCRIPT
Nick Clason (00:00.103)
All right, well here we are. I mean, this is about to get really, really like real now because we have two amazing youth pastors with two completely different points of view on what's best for small group student leadership. And so again, by random draw that you'll have to trust because I'm a youth pastor, so I get paid to tell the truth. Isaac was randomly drawn to give his first two minute argument. So.

Isaac (00:04.782)
Hmm.

Stephen Rose (00:12.276)
You

Nick Clason (00:29.009)
We're about to put two minutes on the clock. are you ready?

Isaac (00:33.026)
Yeah, and just just clarifying because I want to make sure we are talking about leaders walking with students like. Are is it better? Is it better for them to go each year with them or every year? Let's recycle. That's the main question.

Nick Clason (00:41.915)
during

Nick Clason (00:50.235)
That's the question at hand. Yeah, I mean, we won't get into like the pizza lock-in, like social media debate. Those are, you know, those are meaningful ones in youth ministry as well, but this one in particular, yes, that's what I'd like you to argue. I hope that you came prepared for that and not like your pro lock-in debate, cause it might not fit. Real quick here at chat GPT, real quick, give me new notes. All right, are we ready?

Isaac (00:52.526)
Let's go.

Isaac (00:58.254)
Hmm.

Stephen Rose (01:10.656)
Thank

Isaac (01:11.534)
I have to change all my notes right now.

Stephen Rose (01:17.876)
Thank

Isaac (01:18.178)
Yeah, yeah, give me new notes. All right, yep, let's go.

Nick Clason (01:21.776)
Two minutes on the clock, take it away.

Isaac (01:24.654)
All right, two minutes, here we go. The key word that I'm looking at is discipleship and what does discipleship really look like? And so, and this is something that I've been kind of studying and learning about in my 17 years of youth ministry. And so I've changed and I've morphed, but I keep leaning more towards, man, let's really walk alongside these students. Here's some examples from the Bible. Jesus, he's come down, he's like, let me really pray over who I'm really going to invest in.

because he had other people that were interested in following him, but he said, no, I'm really going to invest in these 12. And he did that for three years. And then you have Paul and his relationship with Timothy, and he's being able to say things like, hey, Timothy, your grandmother, and he's naming family members and stuff, which I just don't think that you can do that in a year's time of knowing someone that you really want to get into that. So discipleship really means relationship and knowing.

How does someone come in and they're fully known and fully loved? So when you're with them longer, you know the students, you know their parents, you know the deaths that happened in their family, you know what sports they're involved in, you know the injury that set them back a few years prior. And so when they confess this thing, you go, I know the meaning behind that because I've had this relationship with you for a while.

I guess my main question that I would ask is why don't we go in and hire a new youth pastor every one year? You want a youth pastor to be there and and longevity breeds just this this trust that's that parents now have and I feel like as a youth pastor I'm trying to equip other leaders to come in and essentially be youth pastors And so I don't want to hire new youth pastors every year because I want that trust

and that relationship and that discipleship to happen. And that can only happen over a stretch of time and not hitting the reset button every single year.

Nick Clason (03:27.12)
Wow, did you rehearse that?

Isaac (03:31.49)
No.

Nick Clason (03:32.39)
Strong work, my man. Strong work. Alright, Steven. It's been laid down. Like, the challenge has been issued. Are you ready?

Stephen Rose (03:32.788)
Thank

Stephen Rose (03:42.404)
Yes, yes, I'm ready.

Nick Clason (03:43.354)
All right, and the microphone's working and the internet is streaming and yeah, yeah. All right, sweet. All right, bro, two minutes on the clock for you, Steven. Your side is you think that it's useful for students to have a variety of leaders year in, year out, or every so often. So, my friend, take it away.

Stephen Rose (03:46.548)
Internet's not crashing out right now.

Stephen Rose (04:07.504)
Awesome. Yeah, I love what you said about discipleship. Couldn't agree more. And for me, one of the things I think is so important and what we really focus on in my context is helping students own their faith by the time they graduate. And there's been like some studies done where the more, not like infinitely, but the more adults, specifically the number was around five. If you have five good relationships.

with adults who are like spiritual mentors or people that you know on at least a relatively deeper level, then you're much more likely to stick with a faith post-graduation. And I would argue that the reason for that is because their faith is hopefully being more grounded in Jesus than a specific leader. And they're rooted in Jesus. He is their firm foundation, not like an awesome leader or the youth pastor or something like that.

And so when you move, not necessarily every year, but every so often, you're just more likely to build relationships with more adults. And I view that as a huge win. And so what I like to see is them build relationships, be really intentional in the year or the two years span that they're with that leader, and then really focus on the transition so they can then build a new relationship.

with new leaders and the students stay together. So they're able to keep building those long-term relationships where they can grow alongside of each other. But the leaders can shift as far as small group goes. But the long-term relationships still stay the same. Just like a small group leader that I had when I was in eighth grade, I still got to talk to them later in later years and they still knew me and they still could pour into me and disciple me. And so the process

can keep happening even though we're still looking towards helping them meet more people and grow closer relationships with more people.

Nick Clason (06:13.38)
Right on time, my man, both of you. This might be the first time two youth pastors hit their time mark right when they're supposed to. That's crazy. All right, so what we'll do now, guess, I like this. I think we're gonna go to a more open forum, all right? So let's do two minutes, but here's the thing, just so you guys know.

Stephen Rose (06:20.041)
Hehehehehe

Nick Clason (06:40.804)
I don't need to include the clock. like if it's good and free flowing, like I'm just not going to interrupt it. Like don't, don't worry about it. I'm just trying to keep things moving and make it not be like a, you know, long and boring episode. so I'll put this on, but why don't you, why don't you guys ask some clarifying questions just like back and forth and just like answer, ask, answer, ask, answer. and then, when, when we feel satisfied with that, we'll, we'll move on to the like closing testimony or whatever, whatever they call it in the courtroom.

Stephen Rose (06:51.316)
Thank

Nick Clason (07:10.758)
I don't watch enough court TV. So, does anyone have like a question to start? Like to ask the other person? All right, great. You go first then.

Stephen Rose (07:11.092)
Sounds good.

Isaac (07:12.627)
Okay.

Stephen Rose (07:19.216)
Yeah, yeah I do.

Perfect. So Isaac, wonder in your context, if a student doesn't get, like we'll just say student doesn't get along great with a certain leader. What does that look like? Like do you go about that?

Isaac (07:40.396)
Yeah, man, that's great. Context, I think, matters a lot. So I've worked in a small church, a medium church, and a large church. So let's just talk about the numbers that I have here. It's weird to talk about that in church culture, but that helps context so much. So I have about 160 leaders. And in that, have, for sixth grade boys, we have five sixth grade boy groups.

Stephen Rose (07:45.246)
I agree.

Stephen Rose (07:55.732)
for sure.

Isaac (08:07.854)
And then each one of those groups has four leaders. And so I think that that helps so much for the person watching right now. They're like, well, this might make sense because of this. And the dynamics can shift because for you saying, hey, does a sixth grade boy, if he's if he's not enjoying this, then what? Well, he he can move to another group. He can go to one of the other four options. And that's easy. Now, when I was at a church for six and a half years and it was like

Stephen Rose (08:08.049)
Mm-hmm.

Stephen Rose (08:27.252)
Uh-huh.

Stephen Rose (08:30.675)
Right.

Isaac (08:37.59)
You have middle school boys, high school boys, middle school girls, high school girls. That's your option. Then it's like, well, what do we do when they don't like that person? And so for us in our context, it makes sense of if there's not someone getting along, there is another option in another group that they can go to.

Stephen Rose (08:44.444)
Right. I'm

Stephen Rose (08:58.772)
Sure. and

Nick Clason (09:00.39)
How do you guys, either of you, discern this is not a good fit and we need to quote unquote rescue the student from the fit? Or this is an opportunity to lean in and disciple the student to push through something more difficult and maybe getting along with their leader is like what God has for them in this season of their spiritual growth. Like how do you discern between those two? Because I feel like

Like a parent can come to you like they hate their leader and you want to like solve that so so that the kid doesn't get mad or the family doesn't leave the church or whatever. But I think sometimes it's like, dude, you need to stop being so entitled. You know what I mean? How do you how do know?

Stephen Rose (09:43.219)
Yeah, that's really good. For me, I tend toward having them stay either way because I don't want for students just to pick a leader based off of, I love this leader. I can't stand that leader, which by the way, my team is awesome. I have awesome leaders, all that. And so it's really a side point. But of course, if there was

if it was like coming to an unhealthy place, then I would say I'd be more willing to like figure it out. Especially if it was like a newer student, you know, who maybe isn't even a follower of Jesus yet. And okay, I'm trying to help them get comfortable first, help them feel accepted and have a good experience. And so that'd be a little different if it's someone I've been walking with for a while. And then, hey, it's time for you to grow up and, you know, and be...

be mature about this and grow in your maturity. I part of that is definitely not being in your favorite spot at all times.

Isaac (10:46.552)
Yeah, that's good. I think that, you know, scripture says if at all possible as far as it depends on you, live at peace with with everyone. And if there's some kind of disunity there, obviously that's what the enemy is trying to seek out and bring to light is some kind of disunity. So it's our jobs as the shepherds of that to say, well, what's causing this? And so it should start with a conversation with both student and leader and saying,

Nick Clason (10:46.587)
Good.

Stephen Rose (10:56.372)
Mm.

Isaac (11:14.926)
Why? Why is there a disunity and how can we go towards unity? What's the conversation? Maybe you just need to say some things. Let's get it out on the table. Truth is gonna be great. Let's get it out on the table. But if it becomes a thing where it's like, we're not coming here. My kid doesn't wanna show up. I'm even pro, well, there's also another church in town because...

Stephen Rose (11:29.78)
Yeah.

Isaac (11:42.742)
The gospel doesn't just happen at this address. It happens in lot of places in discipleship. And so hopefully I am then connecting with other youth pastors in the area where I can then give a trusted, hey, why don't you go over here to this church? Because this youth pastor is also going to teach the Bible. Discipleship is also happening. But I'm not nervous to, I don't want to say threatened. It's not threatened, but to give, go ahead. If you can't grow here.

Ultimately, what we are concerned about for you as a student is your growth. Go grow anywhere.

Stephen Rose (12:14.045)
Yeah.

Nick Clason (12:17.776)
Good.

Stephen Rose (12:18.238)
That's good.

Isaac (12:19.83)
Steven, got a question for you if I'm allowed to ask. Yeah, because I love what you said about having five good relationships with adults. Yes, man, let's try to, as youth pastors, bring in as many adults and as many leaders as possible in their time of being there. What does it look like in your context for how many leaders do you have in each group? Yeah, what does that look like for you?

Stephen Rose (12:21.982)
Sure.

Nick Clason (12:22.638)
Yes, yes, go.

Stephen Rose (12:39.718)
.

Stephen Rose (12:47.234)
Yeah, we have two leaders in each group. so, over time, would naturally develop relationships with multiple, I mean, hopefully, in prayerfully, you would develop relationships with your small group leaders in that time. And for us, we're, I guess, the medium church size. And so,

Like for high school, for example, we have two high school guys groups, underclassmen and upperclassmen currently. And so you would meet four of the people right then and there. And then hopefully, like even like myself and some other people, because certainly our youth ministry is not the only context which you can have a relationship with an adult. But as far as what we're trying to do, it fits that mold pretty well.

Isaac (13:30.51)
Sure, yeah.

Isaac (13:38.978)
Yeah, so when you say upperclassmen leader and, what is it called? Underclassmen? That just sounded weird. Underclassmen? That just sounds underwear. Anyhow, when you have both of the, so the upperclassmen, are you saying then that those two leaders are with them for two years?

Stephen Rose (13:46.608)
under underclassmen.

Stephen Rose (13:58.579)
Yes.

Isaac (13:59.648)
Okay, so it's kind of like a hybrid then of it's not, I'm not thinking every year it's I'm still kind of building this. I'm in this context. So it's still once because for me, I don't even know if I'm pro you should be with them for seven years. I do like the for me, three years of middle school, you get a new high school leader, because there's just a difference between high school and middle school.

Stephen Rose (14:16.923)
Mm-hmm, right.

Nick Clason (14:16.966)
Mm-hmm.

Stephen Rose (14:22.587)
Thank

Stephen Rose (14:27.586)
Right.

Isaac (14:27.84)
If there is someone that's committed for seven years, my hope is that they are bringing in dads, moms, and other people to it. Because I think that what you said is key. They need to have five adults in their life or more that where they can say, it's not just one person that believes this. It's not just their characteristics, but that in discipleship, they are inviting others to be a part of it as well. If you're going to do that seven year plan. Yeah.

Stephen Rose (14:32.35)
Thank you.

Stephen Rose (14:37.765)
So.

Right.

Stephen Rose (14:46.388)
you

Yes. Right.

Nick Clason (14:57.05)
Yeah, yeah. And I'll just say from a youth pastor logistical standpoint, you get someone to commit for seven years, that's amazing. Are they still committed to loop back down and start a sixth grade group? Going from being a 12th grade leader to a sixth grade leader is tough. And so I've been in situations where they're committed all the way through, but then I'm always having to recruit.

Stephen Rose (15:17.416)
Hey.

Nick Clason (15:24.462)
at the entry point because no one wants to loop back down. They feel like they've quote unquote done their time and they want to be involved in student ministry, but then they want to be involved in more of like a consulting role or a coaching role. And it's like, I love that for you, but I really could use a sixth grade leader, my friend. And so that's been, that's been my experience when they loop all the way through as we, we pool all the way down at the end of the quote unquote conveyor belt, if you will. And I got some really great leaders who aren't doing ministry anymore, but if you're doing

Stephen Rose (15:30.42)
That's how you do it. Okay.

Stephen Rose (15:53.716)
What am I? You just answered about the full seven years or if it's more of a middle school to high school, because I'm I agree. I'm a little less.

Nick Clason (15:54.694)
Like if you're like, yo, you're the underclassmen leader and you're just going to be an expert in ninth and 10th grade. Like, and then you'll see every kid's face, hopefully as they, as they loop through. Um, it's just, it's just the way I think about it.

Isaac (16:08.684)
Yeah, I love that. Steven, did you have any other questions?

Stephen Rose (16:23.832)
cause I can see there's definitely real positives in doing both ways. And, but the seven years is the one where I really, I don't want to say worry, but for lack of a better word, worry about like a students attaching to a certain leader and, that, is a good thing. but especially if they're, if they're not a part of the church at large, like the whole church body, and they're just attached to youth group and just attached to the leader. I just saw so many examples before I even got in youth ministry.

And then those kids, the leader's gone, they're done with youth ministry and they're they're toast. know, they just kind of walk away. And so I guess it was really just on my heart to like, I don't want to see like that happen. And I know there's other intentional ways of working against that too. But that was just really like on my heart.

Isaac (17:12.408)
Yeah, yeah, I would. Here's I mean, Nick, you kind of set us up. You're like, haha, caught you. You're in a trap coming debate this. And so I'm going to I'm going to, you know, share. The perspective of everyone wins, I guess, because here's what I would rather see if this is a would you rather question of would you rather have one leader who intentionally disciples a student for one year or have a leader that walks alongside?

Stephen Rose (17:20.83)
But.

Isaac (17:41.448)
and invest in a student for seven years, I would say give me the one year intentionally disciple. Because so often we recruit leaders that they won't say, I'm just a babysitter. They're not going to say that. We're not going to say that. But if you're like, we're just hanging out, I'm going to their games and they're doing some good things, but they're not intentionally discipling, we're still missing out. And so I would say that the key thing for me is find the leader that's going to disciple.

Stephen Rose (17:46.484)
Yeah.

Isaac (18:09.998)
Which means that they are really getting in and saying do you know Jesus? What is he teaching you? Are you opening up the Word of God? Are you praying? Are you building a community around you? Where are you serving? How's your evangelism life? And they're really working out all of these disciplines And it's more than just let me show up to your play Let me high-five and we'll go get coffee together because you can just hang out But you're not just being friends. You're intentionally discipling so

Nick Clason (18:25.51)
.

Stephen Rose (18:30.04)
Right.

Nick Clason (18:33.03)
you

Isaac (18:37.986)
Give me the one year intentional disciple.

Nick Clason (18:38.34)
Yeah.

Stephen Rose (18:39.572)
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Nick Clason (18:42.166)
That's good. That's good for youth pastors. That's good for Like that's good for this whole conversation. Just like having like a well-rounded perspective of it. It's bad for Trying to elicit emotion and you guys like hating each other. So Way to be a Christian way to ruin YouTube, but no, I agree and

Isaac (19:03.661)
Yeah, yeah. And he's a Cavs fan. Yeah, this is great. We love each other. We're best friends now. Thank you, Nick.

Stephen Rose (19:07.704)
Hey, I know

Nick Clason (19:09.51)
Yeah, you're so welcome. Congratulations. Yeah. Well, let's do like your final statement, right? We'll just do a minute on the clock or less. Just give like your final word, kind of like put a bow on it. And then, yeah, then I guess we'll take it from there. So who went first last time? I think it was Isaac, right? So Steven, we'll have you minute on the clock, finalize your argument. You ready? All right, let's go.

Stephen Rose (19:36.663)
Yep.

All right, so I believe that transitioning through different small groups is best for students because they get to build multiple relationships with adults, which helps them own their faith, not just the youth's faith or my faith or their leader's faith, but their faith in Jesus. And so I think it's best to move them through. And then I also, as a side note, I think it can create a spot for leaders to star in their roles where, hey, if I'm always with freshmen girls,

then I'm gonna be able to really get good at welcoming them. Or if I'm always with the senior and junior guys, I'm gonna get really good at helping them through this transition as they get older, as their problems change. But they kinda are the same perpetually for new juniors, new seniors. And so they get to start starring in their roles as they get year after year of experience with them.

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Isaac (20:43.66)
Awesome. Quantity will produce quality. The more that you're hanging out with someone, the better the conversations. And so getting someone there for a length of time, it's just going to produce the quality that we're looking for. It avoids the six months, like, do I actually know this person? Can I make that inside joke? I accidentally said something about their parents or

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You you

Isaac (21:12.498)
Whatever all their life story the more opportunity that you have with their story the more that they can feel Fully known fully seen and fully loved which really I think just shows grace more discipleship more and and what Jesus was Really trying to aim for when he said this is what a disciple maker

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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Six months into leading this

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team, I realized

00;00;04;02 - 00;00;05;22
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something uncomfortable.

00;00;05;25 - 00;00;11;29
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You can be good at ministry, but that is not automatically mean you're good at leading people.

00;00;12;03 - 00;00;15;27
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In this video, I want to share with you the mistakes I've made in my first

00;00;15;29 - 00;00;23;21
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six months in leadership, in the new position that I have and some things that I would definitely be doing differently.

00;00;23;23 - 00;00;27;04
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Welcome, everybody, to the hybrid ministry show.

00;00;27;07 - 00;00;43;19
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Well hey everyone, welcome to the Hybrid Ministry Show. If you and I have had a chance to meet you. My name is Nick Clason and in this podcast exists primarily to talk about digital ministry and making discipleship online a little bit easier. But in this episode, I want to talk about a major shift that's actually happened in my life.

00;00;43;19 - 00;01;10;27
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And this might actually be one of the more emotional or even like real episodes because, I moved here three years ago to work for a guy who one of my great friends, his name is Darren, and he was an amazing boss, best boss I ever had. Now, listen, let's be honest. There's always times where I felt like I could do something better or different, but I had really learned to love and kind of settle into my role, getting things done and being a worker, for him.

00;01;10;27 - 00;01;26;25
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And, the one of the things I loved about Darren, too, is that he believed in me and he trusted me, and he gave me a lot of leash to make major student ministry decisions. And so I didn't feel like I was just his right. Him or his minion. But I really felt like I got a good opportunity at leadership.

00;01;26;27 - 00;01;51;06
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Fast forward to about six months ago. He chose to step away and move to a different church. And in that transition, church very like, honorably and lovingly came to me and said, you're our number one choice. You're our guy. You want his job. And it was like a no brainer. I was like, absolutely. And in the time, you know, you got to understand, he had been doing a second job at our church, as the pastor of staff development.

00;01;51;06 - 00;02;07;12
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And so during that season, I assumed and took on quite a bit of leadership opportunities. And so I figured this wouldn't be that big a deal. All that was really going to happen was I was going to move to his old office. And then I was just going to keep kind of doing what I was doing. But man, oh man, was I wrong.

00;02;07;12 - 00;02;30;03
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Man was there. So, so many changes and so many differences. Assuming that new leadership hat and that new leadership seat. And in this episode, I want to talk through three things that I've learned. What I thought, what happened, what I did, and what the actual, learning is out of that. So let's dive in to the first leadership mistake.

00;02;30;05 - 00;02;53;27
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So mistake number one is that the time battle was lost. But in a lot of cases for me, the time battle was lost by someone else. Here's what I thought. I thought I'm the boss. I'm the supervisor. I'm the manager. Now I get to not only make the decisions, but I get to help oversee people and point them in the right direction and in some cases, in the ugliest parts of my heart, I get to tell them what to do.

00;02;53;29 - 00;03;14;11
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But here's what happened is that I was expecting to still do all of the same work that I was doing before, or all of the same work that was at least desired by me to do before. For example, continuing on this Side Hustle podcast that I don't get a lot of revenue or money from. But, you know, one way that you could really help hit that like or subscribe button down below that would really make a huge difference.

00;03;14;11 - 00;03;39;26
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But well, then adding in anywhere from 5 to 8 new meetings per month. Let me just give you an example. Last week, I was expected to sit down with a future potential residency candidate. I had done that before. That wasn't that big a deal. Darren gave me a lot of opportunities to do stuff like that, and I was getting ready to leave town that day and so my day was mapped out.

00;03;39;26 - 00;04;01;25
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I was doing some podcast stuff. I was doing some, social media stuff for our, our ministry. And I had a couple meetings to kind of in my day at like one, 1 to 2 and then 2 to 3. And then, someone said, hey, we have to have a recap meeting for this big winter retreat event that you just had.

00;04;01;28 - 00;04;18;02
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
We had already had a meeting. Me and the person in the meeting had already discussed it, but like, well, no, we have to have it in this way with these people. And so I was like, well, if we want to have it before I leave town, we got to do it now. So another meeting gets stacked on to the end of my day.

00;04;18;02 - 00;04;38;15
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And I'm not a big meeting guy like I don't, I don't mind them, but they don't bring me a lot of energy. I would rather do the work decided in the meeting, then have a meeting where we sit down and think and talk about work. And so what I've learned is that the promotion often just means that more people have certain demands on my time.

00;04;38;17 - 00;05;03;03
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And so the advice I would give if you've never checked it out, check out Time boss. It was created by a guy named Andrew, and Andrew actually used to be on staff over at Download Youth Ministry, but now he stepped away from do. I am to go work on time boss full time? And I'm not joking when I tell you that when I implement and institute the principles that I've learned from time boss, I am an absolute master of my time.

00;05;03;03 - 00;05;30;02
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Especially when you're in a situation like I'm in now, where other people are dictating my calendar and other people are telling me meetings that I have to go to, that I don't get to say to, avoid or not be part of. And so if you choose to manage your time, then when other people step in and give you, give you required meetings, you can either let them manage your time or you can manage your time before they come to you.

00;05;30;02 - 00;05;55;12
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The choice is yours. But that's one of the things I've had to become a master and a boss of my time. Mistake number two is that you can't communicate without communicating. I feel like my wife right in this new season of life, because what I thought was that when I communicated something, people understood the full picture of what I was saying.

00;05;55;15 - 00;06;20;05
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
But what I've learned is that people can't actually read my mind. I can communicate, but just because I've said words doesn't mean that they're understanding it. The exact same way that I'm thinking that they're understanding it. And so people did, in fact, not read my mind. Like, let me give you an example. I delegated a task where I required us to get three clips out of opus AI, which is an amazing tool for your social media.

00;06;20;05 - 00;06;45;09
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You can check out the link down below if you're interested in that. It literally saves me and our team hundreds of hours a week, but, I would save three opus clips per week out of each of our messages. Well, when I ask someone to do opus clips, they started saving two instead of three. Small miscommunication, but one that I then had a decision to make when I went and I noticed that there weren't enough.

00;06;45;11 - 00;07;04;03
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Do I say something or do I let it go right? Or hey, this is the what the expected, word count needs to be when you get in front of a camera and when they come in and there's more words than what were expected, I had to say, well, here's why the word count matters from time standpoint on YouTube and all these types of things.

00;07;04;06 - 00;07;24;13
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Or when I said, hey, I like all of these events to be planned during the day and I come back. And my team had made one event planned to be happening at night in the evening. Again, not a big deal, but we just had to come around and I had said something and they didn't think it was that big of a deal, or they didn't listen to it, or they chose to override it or whatever the reason might be.

00;07;24;15 - 00;07;42;10
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Or when I said, hey, let's get some hot chocolate for this event. And I go to the back and I see, my resident, my intern making hot chocolate, using the hot water from a small tea kettle, trying to fill up in a five gallon, water jug, bucket. Like, that's just not going to cut it. It's not fast enough.

00;07;42;10 - 00;08;07;15
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And there's a million other ways to get to it. But so when I said make hot chocolate, I thought this was the assumed path to make hot chocolate in our youth ministry, at our church, in our space, they heard make hot chocolate. And to their credit, they were resourceful to figure out a way to do it. But to their disadvantage, they were using some of those incredibly slow and the event had already started and they were stuck in the back, still making hot chocolate because the tea kettle wasn't keeping up.

00;08;07;21 - 00;08;28;07
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
What I've learned is that I have to over communicate, and when I think I've communicated 100% of it, I've maybe only effectively communicated 60% of it. I was talking to a friend of mine. He's, youth volunteer for me. He owns his own business. And I was talking to him about this, and he said, this happens to me all the time.

00;08;28;07 - 00;08;44;01
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so it made me really frustrated, to be completely honest, because I would say things, I would communicate things. I'd write them down and put them in tasks. And only a certain percentage of the task was getting completed or adhered to or listened to. And he just said, this is a very normal thing with people who are working for you.

00;08;44;01 - 00;09;06;09
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So my advice, especially to myself and to you, I'm a perfectionist. I'm an Enneagram one. Don't expect perfection. Be able to roll with the punches and continue to circle back and Overcommunicate and overcommunicate. Mistake number three and this one might be the toughest one, honestly, is that I feel like I lost some of my passion for youth ministry.

00;09;06;09 - 00;09;21;13
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And here's what I thought. I thought, I'm going to step into this new role, and I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing. And while I'm doing what I'm doing, and now I get to be in charge, how great is that? What happened was I shifted from more of a doer of the ministry to more of a manager.

00;09;21;13 - 00;09;44;05
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So last fall, for example, I had fully handed off programing to one of my associates who's in charge of all programing, like service orders, all that type of stuff. And then another, couple people on our team were in charge of a Friendsgiving for, the community like, outreach event drive, like a canned food drive kind of thing that we're, pulling together in our student ministry.

00;09;44;05 - 00;10;11;04
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And then one person was in charge of the Friendsgiving event that we had, and they had two of them collaborate and work together. And then two other people were in charge of our costume party. And so I remember stepping back and thinking to myself, the only thing I'm doing here is managing these people. They're the ones that are like fully running, planning, executing and making these events all have traction getting off the ground.

00;10;11;07 - 00;10;31;06
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And you know, everything that needed to happen in these event spaces. And I found myself like a little bit sitting around kind of like twiddling my thumbs, like, what am I supposed to do? Well, I learned is I and I already knew this about myself, but what I learned was I found myself in my working frustration. As Patrick Clancy only talks about it.

00;10;31;06 - 00;11;06;20
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He has a working widget with six different wheels, and I determined and discovered that my strength was invention and tenacity, and I knew that my frustration was enablement and galvanizing. So kind of rah rah and cheerleading. The team and helping make them, like, get excited around an idea. And so I had shifted out of my strength invention one like creating something out of wonder and tenacity, bringing that invention across the finish line, and then handing that over to my team and trying to encourage them to bring it across the finish line.

00;11;06;26 - 00;11;28;05
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And when they're having a tough time getting across the finish line, they're having a tough time articulating their ideas. I was also having an equally tough time because I couldn't. I was feeling like I wasn't successfully getting those things accomplished and across the finish line. So the advice I took something back that I loved. I took back programing.

00;11;28;08 - 00;11;46;15
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I was like, I need to do something in this job where I get to invent and I get to take it across the finish line, because if not, I'm just going to sit here and I'm just going to watch all of you guys do it. Part of my job is development, and I don't mind it, but it does shift me away from a passion point into something that I don't get to do as much.

00;11;46;15 - 00;12;02;21
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And I felt really bad and I felt really guilty for doing it. But, I mean, here's the thing. Like, I love programing and I love creating something. In fact, I love it so much. I have a podcast dedicated to creative programing. It's a weekly bonus podcast, and I just walk you through what our youth ministry does every single week.

00;12;02;21 - 00;12;22;18
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I'd love for you to take a look at it. There's a seven day free trial link down below. It's called Hybrid Heroes. It's part of Patreon membership tier and you get a weekly bonus podcast every single Monday morning that details, recaps, and outlines our last week of social media and our last week of creative programing. In addition to that, everything I put on my store, that costs money.

00;12;22;20 - 00;12;40;17
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It costs money to other people, but it's free to hybrid here. So $4 a month is less than the cost of a cup of coffee. It's $48 per year. If you have like a professional, or personal development budget line. Like you can charge to that if you don't feel comfortable doing that. I don't have enough money for that.

00;12;40;19 - 00;13;00;11
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Get one cup of coffee from your office, from home, and then skip Starbucks for just one time, and it will cover the cost of that. But that's what I did. And I'm just going to be completely honest for you. This last season has been a really hard season for me. I was confused by it because I thought I knew what I was doing.

00;13;00;11 - 00;13;20;18
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I've been in youth ministry for a long time already. But growth doesn't happen when you're coasting, right? And no matter what you're doing and no matter what area you're growing in and learning in, whether it's growing in management skills like I am or whether it's trying to grow in areas like social media, when you put yourself in uncomfortable situations, it can feel difficult, right?

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But the only way to get to the other side, the only way to truly experience growth, is to go through it. So stick with it. Rooting you on, encouraging you. Don't forget my friends and as always, stay hybrid.

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As a person on church ministry, you have a slew of responsibility. You need to be a shepherd. You need to be an administrator. You need to be an evangelist. You need to be a disciple maker. And sometimes you need

00:00:13:14 - 00:00:15:22
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to be a social media strategist.

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Listen,

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you know this.

00:00:17:07 - 00:00:20:05
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Not everyone can be good at everything.

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just recently,

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someone in the DYM

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Facebook group asked like social media gurus, where are you at? I want to start up ticking my engagement

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I probably see that question

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once a month

00:00:31:00 - 00:00:33:29
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just like you get curriculum to help you teach, just like you get

00:00:33:29 - 00:00:36:19
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calendar apps to help you stay organized, and you have

00:00:36:19 - 00:00:38:05
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books to help you learn.

00:00:38:05 - 00:00:43:05
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With so many different tools on the market, how do you know what you can actually trust? You know,

00:00:43:08 - 00:00:52:23
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I've been leading a youth ministry leader cohort, specifically down a deep dive topic of hybrid ministry, and at the beginning

00:00:52:29 - 00:01:04:23
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of the cohort, it's an eight week experience at the beginning. I have people map out the next month of social media content, and every week when we circle back, we evaluate how did the last week go?

00:01:05:00 - 00:01:11:23
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And without fail, they say I had my plans or the plans laid out, but I didn't do it because

00:01:11:25 - 00:01:27:10
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a meeting came up. Because this thing happened, because I got busy, because the weather canceled our services and I was focused and forced to do other things responsibility wise. You see, whatever the reason is why social media falls by the wayside,

00:01:27:11 - 00:01:28:08
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it's not a priority.

00:01:28:08 - 00:01:39:18
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Leadership doesn't see the value of it. You're not creative enough. You need something to help. You need a strategy. And that's what this episode is. This is the mega episode. I've done you a favor,

00:01:39:21 - 00:01:43:07
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in the next several sections of this video, I'm going to share with you

00:01:43:07 - 00:01:53:04
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the analytics behind my hybrid ministry strategy and my seasonal social Media pack, which is now available and active for the spring season over on Patreon.

00:01:53:04 - 00:01:56:13
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So make sure that you go take a look at that. If there's something that you're interested in.

00:01:56:13 - 00:02:07:18
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And then in act number three, we're going to share with you the hybrid ministry framework. And act number four, I'm going to share with you the execution layer. How do you actually pull this thing together?

00:02:07:18 - 00:02:22:11
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What gear what software do you need. Act number five is going to be the vision layer. Where can this go if you really choose to double down on it. And then act number six, I'm just going to share with you different ways that I can help along the way. And here's the good news. I've actually shared all of this before.

00:02:22:11 - 00:02:44:11
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If you're new here, or if you don't want to go through all the various episodes I have, this is almost going to be like a clip show. I have done the hard work of combing through nearly 200 hybrid Ministry episodes to share with you each of these different sections. So we're going to dive in. Let's look first here at the analytics and what's going on behind the scenes.

00:02:44:13 - 00:03:00:26
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You know, when I released my winter season on Social Media pack, I did a vlog style video where I was at a conference that my my church was hosting. I was hosting it. I was like a stage host for the week, and I wanted to prove that I could post my pack in less than 16 minutes of total time.

00:03:00:29 - 00:03:22:06
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Over the course of the week, though, in my pack, I propose you post three times a week. I posted eight times during that week. Every single piece of content that I include in my seasonal social media pack. Spoiler I didn't meet the challenge, but I did learn something valuable and it's that my pack can actually stand up to some of the stressors of everyday life.

00:03:22:08 - 00:03:38:28
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My pack was the schedule, and all I had to do was look at the schedule. It told me exactly what I was most post. I posted it and not less than 16 minutes, but however, I was able to do it in less than 20 minutes. And this right here is the analytic and the deep dive from that week of posting.

00:03:38:28 - 00:03:48:27
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Now I have all different seasons and I just released spring, which means now we're also able to offer a full year of custom and DIY seasonal social media.

00:03:48:29 - 00:03:59:02
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So if you want to look at the four season bundle pack for the entire year of social media, go check it out. But what I'm trying to do in my pack is I'm trying to make you and your church the hero.

00:03:59:02 - 00:04:19:20
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Not just a bunch of standard graphics that every church, any church can post, but graphics that. Yeah, we'll have some of that, but also videos with you and your people, and I'll train you and give you scripts and, and give you video and graphic overlays that you can put on top of videos that you record. Because 90% of the internet's traffic is short form, vertical based video.

00:04:19:22 - 00:04:37:01
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so I took that concept, the one that I sell to you and sell to all you pastors, church communications, people all around the world that I stand behind. And I put it to the test, and here were my results from the week. And and it's nothing crazy. We didn't go viral. We didn't get famous off of it.

00:04:37:01 - 00:04:54:27
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
In some cases. We had some really low views. In other cases we had some really high views. So I want to share with you the highest view from the week. I want to share with you the lowest view from the week. I want to share with you a comment from a post that happened during that week, as well as the one the post that got the most amount of likes.

00:04:54:27 - 00:05:14:27
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And I'm going to do that across three different platforms of TikTok, Instagram and YouTube. So if you're watching here on YouTube right now, you'll see this graph up here on screen. But the video with the highest views on TikTok was only 235 on our verse Bible verse video 235 views on TikTok. Our lowest one was our transition style video.

00:05:14:27 - 00:05:34:18
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
It only had 38 views over there on TikTok. A comment we got zero comments during the week on TikTok when I did this. And see, that's the that's the the truth. That's the hard and crass reality. Sometimes that's what happens. We also did get 37 likes on our first video. So that video did did do the best on TikTok.

00:05:34:19 - 00:05:54:26
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Now let's switch over to Instagram. I got 471 devotional views on our Devo video, the one that I, the script, I wrote the script, then I copied the script verbatim and I hadn't looked at it in like three months. So I was basically going in code, which is very similar to what you would also be doing if you were to grab my pack and implement it in your own context.

00:05:54:28 - 00:06:16:00
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
We had, 243 views. I was the lowest on our verse post on Instagram. So interestingly, it was our lowest on Instagram was higher than our highest on TikTok. Comments on the Devo we had two different people that left a comment on our on my devotional thing, and I asked for some sort of, hey, leave a leave this emoji in the comments if you need this.

00:06:16:00 - 00:06:35:05
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And two people did that and then the highest likes was 17 on that same devotional video. And then over on YouTube, check this one out. We had 1081 views on the transition video. We had a comment, I'm sorry, we had 23, our lowest on the verse post on YouTube and then, on the Bible trivia post on YouTube.

00:06:35:05 - 00:06:47:00
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Someone said, I didn't know that, that I didn't know the answer to that last one. Not a chance. That was fun though. Good job. And then we had 28 likes on said Bible trivia. And here's just a couple of things I find interesting.

00:06:47:03 - 00:06:59:29
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
The verse post did amazing on TikTok and it struggled on the other two, right? Each platform had a different, higher performer, the verse followed by the diva on Instagram, followed by the transition video on YouTube.

00:07:00:02 - 00:07:20:06
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Right. A couple of things. At one point I actually had to reedit and repost some of these because I had made mistakes. But somehow my posted man on the street video, I did it without even sound. The first time around, my Wi-Fi was lagging. It's slowed me down. And right when I was getting ready to hit record at one point, I had to run across the creek to grab my SD card.

00:07:20:06 - 00:07:40:14
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
See, even I, the creator of the seasonal social media pack, I ran into the same potential obstacles that you might, and my summary and all that is that that week was far from perfect. But what I did do is I showed up regularly, and when I got busy and I didn't have what I needed to do, I could look back at my calendar and my seasonal social media pack told me exactly what I should do.

00:07:40:14 - 00:07:41:24
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so that's the purpose

00:07:41:26 - 00:08:06:09
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
of this thing. It is a seasonal social media pack that's more than just static graphics. That helps you develop a team, a volunteer social media, team students, whatever to hand something off to. And it's for the less than the cost of a couple cups of coffee for the month. So now let's move into act three, and this is where we're going to share some best of clips from the Hybrid Ministry show.

00:08:06:09 - 00:08:09:16
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I'm going to share with you the Hybrid Ministry Framework.

00:08:09:21 - 00:08:39:04
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
There are kind of three core statistics. There's Gen Z, Gen Alpha. They use their mobile device more than they use any other device combined. Furthermore, 69% of students own a smartphone. But I get this the age of 12, 90%. According to Pew Research use YouTube. But there's a verse in Jeremiah chapter 29 Nov nine 2911. But right before that verse, Jeremiah is having a conversation with God.

00:08:39:04 - 00:09:08:22
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And here's what God says to Jeremiah. He says you should build homes, planned to stay, plant gardens, eat the foods that they produce, marry and have children, then find spouses for them so that you may have many grandchildren. Multiply. Do not dwindle away, but you gotta understand the context here, which we don't do for Jeremiah 2011 very often, is that the Israelites are stuck as captives in Babylon, and what God is telling Jeremiah to do is he's saying, stop complaining.

00:09:08:22 - 00:09:35:13
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Stop trying to find a way out. Stop trying to leave. Instead, invest in where you live and digital ministry is not going anywhere. You may not like it. You may not even think it's the most effective. But the majority of millennials, Gen Z, and we can assume Generation Alpha, say that a digital version of church is valuable to them and one that they would lean into, and it doesn't mean that their in-person attendance is going to go away.

00:09:35:13 - 00:09:54:00
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
That's a lot of the fears of us in church leadership is that if we offer a digital component, I'm just going to choose that instead of, coming to church in person, but far from it. We're also seeing in this generation, more than even older generations, that community is so much more important to them. So they don't want to forsake the in-person moments.

00:09:54:00 - 00:10:20:07
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so when we take the in-person moments and the best that it has to offer, when we take the digital things and the best it has to offer, and we find that sweet spot right in the middle, we find what I call hybrid ministry. A great example of it is honestly, Home Depot. And think about it like you throw on your new balances and you throw on your cargo shorts on on a Saturday morning, you got a project, and then you go on Home Depot and you don't really have like a agenda, right?

00:10:20:07 - 00:10:40:00
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
You're just walking around and you're just kind of like you're taking in the smell of lumber and you're just you're just kind of exploring what the hallways and the aisles of Home Depot have to offer. Other times. And then, like, you don't have time, right? You go online, you make an order so that it's delivered to your doorstep because you don't have time to just live out your full dad mode experience.

00:10:40:07 - 00:11:11:24
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
But my favorite honestly version to experience Home Depot is while I'm in the store on their app because their app. If you haven't seen it yet, their app shows you where every single thing in their entire store is located. And so that's what I think we should be doing as youth pastors. Finding a way to intersect where teenagers already admitted they're spending their time, not forsaking the good elements of gathering together and community and accountability and all those things, but also leaning into this hybrid sort of moment.

00:11:12:00 - 00:11:35:19
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so what I want to do is I want to give you one of the easiest ways to kind of to kind of step foot into this hybrid space. And it's by up picking your social media engagement. Now, here's the thing. A lot of youth pastors, and if you've been following me along on this channel for a while, posts announcements on their feed, just assuming that social media is another announcement platform.

00:11:35:19 - 00:11:57:07
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
But the reality is that that's not what social media is best made for it. But what it does mean, and what we should be doing, is that we should be intersecting and invading the lives of students on the places that they spend their time, including TikTok, Instagram and YouTube. Remember, 90% teenagers say that they use YouTube in the way that they're consuming it.

00:11:57:12 - 00:12:19:24
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
for you and for me and for all of us. Like, my, like, general strategy is simply, walking down a funnel of posting short form content, silly content, as well as spiritual content, and hopefully gathering an audience with that and then pushing them to, like a long form version of some more serious content, which is what we do in our youth ministry.

00:12:19:24 - 00:12:48:13
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
We pre film our messages and we adapt them and make them specific for YouTube. You know, we do that versus like a live stream type of thing. As Carrie New study said. This said the challenge is the future is to diversify what you offer online and distinguish it from what you offer in person. So not only is that going to create true options, new love continues on to say, but it will deepen engagement as your in-person and online ministries lean towards what each does best.

00:12:48:13 - 00:13:05:28
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And then, beyond. Just like your message content, beyond your weekly sermon, so to speak, that are also going to live online, whether that's live stream, which I would argue is not as good as a pre filmed version, but it's still better than than nothing. You can also lean into things like courses and those types of things.

00:13:06:01 - 00:13:19:18
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Exactly. Should you be posting? I'm glad you guys have three steps for everyone and their social media is is, three steps. Social media checklist. Step number one is make sure that your website is up to date.

00:13:19:18 - 00:13:51:27
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
When you take away social as an avenue for announcements, or when you reduce your amount of stage announcements. There still has to be a full bodied, one stop, robust shop for your church people to fall to. And that also makes what I'm going to recommend here on social, which is the second step here. The second step is you kind of want to become enamored with short reels, TikTok style videos, because when your website is good, you don't have to worry about the information.

00:13:51:27 - 00:14:24:11
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So now you can leave that behind and you can now move ahead towards the era that social is really made for and meant for. And according to video, 90% of the internet's traffic is found on short form vertical based video because every other platform then was trying to catch up and keep up with this brand new one called TikTok shorts, reels, Facebook has them, Instagram has, YouTube has them and even other like places like, Twitter.

00:14:24:11 - 00:14:50:20
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
If you're even on there, it'll it'll be on a video, you'll be watching it again. It'll auto scroll to the next one. First of all, it's video based and it's short and it's quippy and it's fun. But secondly, like I said earlier, it's the discovery era. If you jump on Reels on Instagram, if you jump on your TikTok for you page more than I think 90% of the I believe that's the stat of the videos that you're served are from people that you've never actually even met.

00:14:50:22 - 00:15:17:21
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so that's good news for you and I. As churches and youth ministries, we can get on to other people's for you pages without buying their attention or without having them have to follow or subscribe or or know about our channel. The key is producing good content. And so step one website. Step two start focusing on good shorts, which is why I've created down below my hybrid strategy guide.

00:15:17:21 - 00:15:29:15
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
It will not only lay out my plan and what I do in my student ministry, but it will also give you different ideas and types of content that you can use for your social media.

00:15:29:15 - 00:15:55:13
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Hey, real fast. Don't click away. Listen, a couple of months ago, I was running a conference at my church, and I decided that I wanted to see if, while I was in the throes of the busiest week on my calendar to date in the year of 2025, if my seasonal social media pack could have what it takes to actually carry me through and not make it more labor intensive for me to actually keep social media running, but to make it easier on me.

00:15:55:14 - 00:16:26:19
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And here, here's what I found out. Imagine it's six minutes per week. Have your entire social media strategy done for you. I mean, think about it like three months of youth ministry content for just $0.23 a minute. Some weeks it takes me seven, other weeks it takes me five. But the point is, and especially at the end of this, as I was sitting in my youth ministry leader cohort, everyone said time management and scheduling was the issue with staying consistent on social.

00:16:26:20 - 00:16:43:22
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So my recommendation would be take my pack, let it be the the basics of what you do. And if you do get busy, if something else comes up, you have something to fall back. And then when you do have the creative energy to create something more custom and more elaborate, scrap one of mine and put one of your own in there.

00:16:43:22 - 00:16:47:22
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
But mine will at least keep you moving in the right direction.

00:16:47:27 - 00:17:12:16
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So that's the big picture. That's the strategy. That's the philosophy. Now let's move in here to act four. This is how to do it. It's going to be gear guides and microphone guides and links. And this is going to get a little bit a little bit down in the weeds if you already know those things, softwares and gear and phones and what you need, I'll encourage you to skip past that over to act number five, which is where hybrid ministry can actually take you in the vision layer.

00:17:12:19 - 00:17:45:10
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
If you take my seasonal summer social media pack, which is less than $20, and you download it, you'll realize that as I'm hoping to help youth pastors create custom content that it's going to require at some points in time, a microphone. And what I want to do in this video is I want to show you all of the different array of options that you can use all the way from like budget microphones to the most expensive Cadillac style microphones to these mid tier podcast, but really cool and vibey looking microphones that your students are going to love.

00:17:45:16 - 00:18:08:27
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Because in this episode, we're going to answer the question which mics you use for the content that you're creating in your youth ministry? Welcome, my friends, to the Hybrid Ministry Show. What's up everybody? Welcome to the Hybrid Ministry show. You and I haven't had a chance to meet yet. My name is Nick Klassen, and we're gonna explore microphones and they're really important because actually, right now, this exact audio is coming.

00:18:08:27 - 00:18:37:10
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Me talking directly to my camera on the other side of the room. You can see that so far, of all the audios you heard is the worst style of audio. And we're going to go through budget options as well as all the way up to the most expensive style of options. And you'll notice if you follow my hybrid ministry social media recommendations, that it's going to require you filming some of your own custom content, and that's going to require you to want to have a microphone, because this audio right here is just not doing it.

00:18:37:16 - 00:19:06:10
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So first we're going to look at budget audio. This is my budget audio recommendation. It's one of these Bluetooth style microphones. They are really cheap. They clip on. They are wireless which is nice. And they plug directly in to your phone. You can get these for less than $10. And at a minimum, what this does is the requirement for decent microphone audio is you just want to isolate the audio source away from the video source.

00:19:06:10 - 00:19:33:24
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Now this one records directly into the actual video files. So you you like your video and your audio will be immediately linked up, which is good news. But I would say this one here, we're going to call this like the student ministry volunteer microphones. So this one right here is actually one of my newest recommendations. It's the Rode Wireless go to not because I've been against it, but because it's just brand new.

00:19:33:24 - 00:19:59:27
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I just got it and so right now I'm actually talking direct into my cell phone camera. And right now I'm talking direct into my Sony ZV one camera, which that, camera is actually also linked down below in the link included in the description. I will call this one like the church intern of microphones, but it's a church intern that actually reads commentaries.

00:20:00:00 - 00:20:24:12
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
This pro level microphone is the Sennheiser lavalier system. It is the senior pastor of microphones. It's buttoned up, it's expensive, it's intimidating, and it's very, very serious about what the job needs to be. It is wireless. So you see, I have a pack that I have right here in my pocket. And this wire that's just like clipped on.

00:20:24:12 - 00:20:48:05
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Then here through my shirt. And then I have a receiver over there on my focus. Right. So this one does require an audio interface and it's not recording directly onto any of the video. So you need to record this separately. You can use something like GarageBand or we use like Adobe Audition. But then you have to link this audio up with the audio from the camera.

00:20:48:07 - 00:21:13:25
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
This microphone right here is the Sennheiser M-k 600. I would call this one if the last one was the senior pastor of microphones. This one is the executive pastor of microphones. It you know, it knows where to aim. And it's going to hit every single time. But you also better know what you're doing. So the pros and cons of this are you do not need pro as you don't need a wireless interface.

00:21:13:25 - 00:21:35:18
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I am plugged directly into my Sony camera. A can of course, is you will probably need some sort of adapter as this goes through an audio like one eighth cable inch headphone jack. And so you're going to need some sort of adapter, probably a microphone to usb-C or to lightning to go directly into your phone. The other con, of course, is it's wired okay.

00:21:35:18 - 00:21:53:21
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so like you're going to need, to have like an XLR cable. It's like what you would use for your worship, music or worship department. But you can see some of the pros of it. We'll use this a lot. We've used this almost exclusively, on our man on the Street videos. And so we've bought this, like, microphone flag with, like, our church branded logo in it.

00:21:53:22 - 00:22:14:26
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
It's also battery powered with just double A batteries. And so that's easier than trying to remember to plug in something that's like, usb-C or like rechargeable in that way. And here we are back where we started. And these right here are the, podcast style microphones. There's once again, a link down below in the show notes. You can check these out.

00:22:14:29 - 00:22:39:02
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
These microphones are kind of like the youth pastor of microphones. They are professional. They're paid. They're full time. Hopefully you're full time and they're cool looking or like try hard, cool looking. Maybe you're giving it too much. But the fact of the matter is, these much, much to the opposite of the shotgun microphones before I catch almost zero sound bleed.

00:22:39:02 - 00:22:58:11
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so for most of our like, we do drafts and we do seven questions here in this room for most of these videos, these microphones do a fantastic job of picking up the audio of the students that are talking directly into it. Not to mention it cuts out some of the exterior wall noise that we were talking about in the last section and in the last clip.

00:22:58:17 - 00:23:17:14
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
The cons of these, however, are they once again, they're XLR, so you are going to need like a music microphone. And oftentimes we use two of these. So you're going to need at least a two channel audio interface. We use the focus rate. Scarlett. I et you can check that out once again. Link down below for that in the show notes.

00:23:17:16 - 00:23:34:28
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
The con of that of course, is that is going to be an upgraded and an additional cost. And so you'll just have to figure out between this one or the Bluetooth wireless or the Rode Go Wireless two, or the condenser microphone or the lavalier microphone. What microphone is best for you?

00:23:35:00 - 00:23:54:21
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
All right. What about software? If everything that we're promoting you to do is short form, vertical based video, then, you know you're going to have to use and utilize some software. So this isn't a best of clip. This is actually brand new. And, as you're looking here on screen, you might be wondering where these came from.

00:23:54:21 - 00:24:28:21
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
This is from my youth ministry leader cohort, that I'm leading deep dive. These are my, suggestions. So the top tier of suggestions are the Adobe Creative Suite, which includes Adobe Premiere Pro, Final Cut Pro, and DaVinci resolve. And those are listed in order of probably, power as well as price. I will put all three of these on the same plane, though, like, you can pretty much do everything in Final Cut or Da Vinci that you would also do in the Adobe Creative Cloud.

00:24:28:21 - 00:24:51:06
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so depending on where you're at budget wise, these are the ones that I would recommend. If you have an appetite to learn something that's a little bit more professional and a little bit more powerful, but moving on to the next tier are three different options. I have cap cut, I have in-app editors, and then I have just, the run of the mill iMovie or Windows Movie Maker.

00:24:51:06 - 00:25:09:08
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So cap cut, of course, there's a web app and there's also an app for your phone. You can use either of them. And there is a pro version, so you can upgrade a little bit to pay if I'm doing something just quick and short. My favorite editor is either the Instagram Reels, but my real favorite editor is the TikTok editor and then TikTok.

00:25:09:15 - 00:25:28:29
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
When you save it, it auto saves a copy of it to your camera roll unless you turn that off in the settings. And so if you're posting to, say, Instagram or YouTube, you go to TikTok first, you edit whatever you want to edit, put whatever captions on you want to put on, and then you post it. And then if you go to the other apps after that, it'll be sitting there in your camera roll.

00:25:29:01 - 00:25:47:20
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And then, iMovie or Windows Movie Maker is probably the bottom of the barrel, but it's also probably free for whatever machine you have, whether you're a mac or windows user. Let me also say another thing. If you have some sort of long form version of your clip, a live stream, or you sit down ahead of time, film, direct camera, opus clip.

00:25:47:20 - 00:26:10:20
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
If you look here, you'll see on my feed all of these ones that are circle, this is my student ministries feed. All of these ones that are circled were all edited by opus clip. I post three of them per week. And so in the seasonal social media pack I recommend a devotional clip. But if you have some sort of long form version of your message that you can upload into a service like opus clip, and if you just scan this QR code that you see here on screen, you can go check out Opus Clip.

00:26:10:20 - 00:26:25:29
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
It's free for a while, and then you have a certain number of credits, and when it runs out, then it's an upgrade for about 100 and something dollars per year. And, I've never run out of credits in opus clip and we even share it with another ministry in our church, and we still have enough credits for opus clip.

00:26:25:29 - 00:26:38:13
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So, that's something that really can help. If you have a long form version of something. If not, then I just recommend you doing a devotional, on your phone, editing it in something like Cap Cut or TikTok and then posting it everywhere.

00:26:38:16 - 00:26:56:20
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
man, on the street transition style videos, drafts, seven questions. Any given night you come into our youth ministry, we're doing one of those four things. Let me just tell you, like once we started walking around with the camera, especially for like man on the street or like transition style videos, the kids came out of the woodwork in their interest level for it.

00:26:56:23 - 00:27:21:10
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
We have seven, I want to say different like serving teams for students. We have welcome team. We have cafe, we have tech team. We have social team, we have photography. We have worship. Maybe that's it. Oh, no. And then we have our table leaders. That's probably like our highest, spiritual bar of of role. The team that people want to be on the most is the social team.

00:27:21:10 - 00:27:44:25
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so we have, like, increased our engagement around student serving because the social team exists. But the real, in my opinion, this role right here, this next role, this is really like the role that has changed everything for me. It's the student editor. So I post ten pieces of content per week. And this is a genuine, real, true, authentic statement.

00:27:44:27 - 00:28:09:20
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I don't edit any of it. I'm going to include a checklist for you of roles, of things to do, of what to film all of that. That's over on my Patreon. Once again, that will come with a nominal fee because Patreon doesn't let me give it away for free. However, if you are a hybrid hero, you get that checklist that cost you $0 included in your $4 per month membership Hybrid Heroes tier.

00:28:09:22 - 00:28:30:23
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
All right. Now we're going to jump into the vision layer. So you start kind of dialing in social media. Where can this go. Maybe it's pre-recording your messages and creating a library of content on YouTube. Maybe it's creating YouTube playlist courses, maybe it's a weekly podcast and you're using things like Spotify, Apple Podcasts or YouTube. What could this take you?

00:28:30:23 - 00:28:38:04
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
What vision do you have for some of this? Let's dive in and check out some of this vision piece. Content.

00:28:38:07 - 00:29:14:02
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
From the most conservative parents in your church who would never even imagine letting their kids enter the World Wide Web to all the way to the least restrictive parents who gave their kids a phone and let them have wild access to the internet. YouTube is a great strategy and a great platform for students and school ministry. But if you're anything like me and you work at a church, you look around your youth and you compare it to the auditorium or the main church home that the rest of us or the rest of your, you know, big church is using where your pastor's preaching on Sunday morning and you probably look and think, man, I don't

00:29:14:02 - 00:29:55:19
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
have the gear to capture my services and post them on YouTube. And the answer to that is probably unequivocally, 100% accurate. You'll plan your curriculum and then you'll write out your teaching, and then you'll sit down and you'll deliver the message direct to camera, all because you told your time what was going to happen to it. And I'm not saying that you shouldn't counsel students and meet with the senior pastor and plan for your Wednesday night, but if pre filming your messages, if getting the message of Jesus and the message of hope out on the internet, on YouTube is important to you, then you need to determine when you're going to place that, that

00:29:55:19 - 00:30:20:13
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
thing on your calendar to do. Does teaching is it required in mandated to be in person? So anything that you might be tempted to turn into a class or a meeting or a workshop or a meet up or an after church, like pizza with the pastor sort of thing. Any one of those that isn't like, relationally charged, I believe.

00:30:20:13 - 00:30:34:28
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And even if they are relationally church, we can pivot and reposition the way that we're doing it so that it can be included in a YouTube playlist. However, playlists are basically like free courses on YouTube's platform.

00:30:35:01 - 00:30:55:03
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Listen, are you overwhelmed yet? Because it can be overwhelming. It's deep. And just like you have to be, organizational person and administrator, an executive pastor, a shepherd. Now, you're also being asked to be a social media manager. And that's the thing. That's why I have four different tiers of ways that I can help you. Number one, just grab my free e-book.

00:30:55:05 - 00:31:21:16
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
You can also check out the seasonal social media pack, for the the three months. Or you can do for the whole year or coaching where I help walk you through it and how to implement some of these things. Or you can just reach out to me directly for coaching and communications done for you. But without any further ado, let's check out the last little bit here of the final, what this could look like and where this could take you in your church and in your ministry.

00:31:21:19 - 00:31:40:28
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Can grab my free e-book, but if you get in there and you're like, I don't know what's best for us, and we'll let you know about some custom coaching that I have to offer. My custom coaching is four sessions long. $50 per session will be $200 out of your overall budget, which is absolutely pennies in the in the drop in the bucket in an overall church size budget.

00:31:41:00 - 00:32:02:05
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But if you know, even that is too much, reach out. We can make something work. But the reason that custom coaching is important is because every context is different. I can tell you what I'm doing here in DFW, Dallas-Fort worth area, to reach, in my context, Gen Z or young, you know, basically almost done with Gen Z to Gen Alpha.

00:32:02:07 - 00:32:29:01
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But and that might be helpful because if you're managing church social media for an overall church, like, well, we're doing is very going to be very cutting edge for, you know, like older Gen Z and even like millennials. But every church and every context and every geographical area is a little bit different. I was recently, coaching another guy and, my typical like strategy, I changed it and tweaked it a little bit for him because he was doing things just a little bit differently.

00:32:29:04 - 00:32:46:12
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His context was a little bit different, and his role was a little bit unique compared to what I typically would tell people to do. And so even I was, you know, thinking through and adjusting my model. And so it's important because everyone in every place is different. And then the final piece is this is like, as I say, all of this.

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And there's, you know, maybe a minute ago you gave me that sub because you were like, dude, there's just too much to do. And even with some custom coaching, there's still going to be a lot on your plate. You're 100% right. There is are still a lot of work to do, which is what I want to offer to, to some of you.

00:33:01:22 - 00:33:25:07
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Might be worth it. Budget wise, communications done for you. It's a service that I offer, and I will run your website. Or I will do graphics and video, or I will run your YouTube and social media. Each of those different buckets and categories is a different price point. Or you can bundle them all together for a different price point link down below to inquire about that.

00:33:25:09 - 00:33:45:19
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But let me just tell you that it is a 10th of the cost of a full time staff person. If you were to hire me and contract me to do communications for you and for your church and for your ministry, because there's so much on your plate and you just you, you want it, but you don't have the time or bandwidth or desire maybe even to learn it.

00:33:45:19 - 00:34:01:10
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And I understand that. And at some point it's just worth it, you know, to just get it off of your plate. And if that you're in that zone and you don't want the coaching, you don't want to learn via the e-book, then great. Then check out what I have to offer communications for you. I will do things like inspect your website.

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I will optimize your search engine optimization. I will make your website as visitor friendly as possible. If you want to go in the graphics route, I can do graphic design for you. I can do series and events and pre screen and print graphics and all those types of things. Get those pesky jobs off of your plate. And if you want to optimize your church social media, live stream or YouTube prefilled messages, we can, do thumbnails, we can title the video, we can optimize the tags for search engine optimization, create chapters so that people can jump around in your videos, create playlists and online courses, and also create post shorts for your social media.

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Whatever works best and whatever you want done for you. All of it is linked down below in the description or in the show notes. I'd love to have you check those things out, but again, I appreciate you being here. And listen. It is the future of the church is online. It's not only online, but are you. A wide portion of it is.

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And the fact is, the more capacity and bandwidth that you have to take it there, the more effective I believe you will be to maximize your reach and your influence to continue to pursue reaching people for Jesus, continue to pursue the call and the assignment in which God has placed you, particularly right now in this season. And don't forget, and as always, stay hybrid.

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🕰️TIMECODES
00:00 Final Programming Episode
01:10 Programming with No Game!
05:20 Waiting on my Team
05:57 Bracket Launch Program
11:41 Why Hybrid?
13:44 From Scratch Game? (Or Resource)
16:10 Time to Evaluate

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TRANSCRIPT
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Well, in this fourth

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and

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final

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episode of my Creative Programing playlist, we're continuing on with the three challenges that we've been working on

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this week, from my home office or guest bedroom, or normal side of the recording of the hybrid ministry show. Because of this insane question mark winter storm that Texas has experienced. I haven't been in the office all week and Sunday services were canceled.

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It's crazy, but we're doing these three challenges with no repeat order. And while last week we had no speaker,

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this week I want to show you what it might be like if we have no traditional game.

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Again, question mark. And I'm going to somehow create a game from scratch and submit it to dym, I have an idea of what I think I might want to do, but you can be the judge if this actually counts.

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And if I actually succeed in the challenge. And as always, we're going to recap and then let you know how it went. What went bad, what you need to do differently. All of

00;01;01;24 - 00;01;11;04
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that coming up on this week's episode of the fourth and final installment of the Programing Playlist Challenge. Welcome, everyone, to the Hybrid Ministry show.

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So we are here on the Hybrid Ministry show, attempting to round out the challenges.

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The first three videos, I was able to successfully complete each week's challenge, and today we're going to try and do the same thing.

00;01;23;27 - 00;01;41;16
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You know, challenge number one, of course, is avoiding doing the same order. And so far we've done in week one, we did our kind of standard order of two songs. The first part of the message, a table talk, the announcements, then the game bumper video message, part two response song and a small message wrap.

00;01;41;19 - 00;01;56;03
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Week two. We completely did the order wrong. And so we started with the message. A table talk did two songs in the middle, followed by announcements and games, followed by a bumper, followed by, the second part of the message kind of sandwiched in the night. And then week

00;01;56;07 - 00;02;13;10
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three, no speaker because we pre filmed our message. So we did announcements followed by song, followed by the first part of the message, followed by a table talk followed by game, followed by the second part of the message in table talk, followed by two more songs, third part of the message table talk, a response song and a message wrap, and dismiss.

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And so

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this week I'm going to give you a little bit of context, but I'm going to try and do a fourth order and a completely different element than what we've done so far. It's going to it's going to like I ended the last video, so we're going to throw this one into a tizz, And that's exactly what we're going to do.

00;02;30;03 - 00;02;48;06
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So for a bit of context, every single year around spring break we do a thing called spring break hangs. And what that is, is it's all of our office days. So we don't work on Fridays, but Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday we do some sort of hangout for students. So it could be something simple like meet up at a coffee shop, meet up at an ice cream shop.

00;02;48;13 - 00;02;50;10
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Sometimes we pay, sometimes they

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pay. And so yesterday, our Wednesday night programing for the week during this Texas snowstorm got canceled. So we threw together an emergency meeting with, myself and our students team. And as we were hopping off the call, one of my guys goes, hey, do we have plans yet for spring break? hangs well, I have a group of students who helped plan an outreach event and they want to do a tournament deal in the middle of the week.

00;03;15;17 - 00;03;32;01
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And so that's sort of like the anchor and then a round I said around it, let's go ahead and let's make a plan. And one of the plans that they came up with was they wanted to do a movie night. And so what we're going to do is in addition to doing spring break hangs every year,

00;03;32;06 - 00;03;38;26
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we also do a march bracket every year to kind of come alongside March Madness and all that type of stuff.

00;03;38;26 - 00;03;48;05
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And I've talked about it before and, you know, I'm going to give this resource that I'm about to create away. Over on the DYM site, I have the epic

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student ministry bracket of epic things, which is very dated. It's it's 7 or 8 years old now, the number one seed, Chip and Joanna Gaines. So I will tell you how dated that feels.

00;03;58;08 - 00;04;13;15
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Then I've also, over on the site, have The World's Greatest Donut, which actually have an episode link right here at top screen. You can go see, that event that we did, how we launched that event, and then how you can, have that event kind of going on in the background. And we've also done a Christmas movie bracket.

00;04;13;15 - 00;04;32;23
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And so for this one, we're going to do a movie bracket. And then that's going to determine the movie that we watch on the night of spring break hangs. And so one of the things that, I'm going to do is I'm going to actually, I think I want to create four different regions. So almost like four different categories.

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We'll do a 16 team bracket, even though in regular March Madness, I do a

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64 team bracket with four regions, 16 teams in each region. We'll do a 16 team bracket 4 regions. Four movies in each bracket. And so I'll kind of categorize it. And what I actually did was I told my team, I said,

00;04;49;29 - 00;04;53;05
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hey, 10:00, this was the last night.

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So I said, by 10:00 tomorrow I want to start working on this send me 16 movies doesn't have to matter. The order sent to me by 10:00. So I'll let you know who responded by ten. And then I'm going to take their movies. We're going to compile it into ChatGPT, and we're going to ask them to spit out like the ones that you know, which are commonly commonly included and stuff like that, and maybe even help us categorize it a little bit.

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So I'll let you know how my team does here if they meet the deadline by 10:00 or not.

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Four out of six, which I'm one of the four. So I guess three out of five of my team members, follow the instructions. If Ben and Kaleigh

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ever see this, they might be mortified. Or they might just giggle and think it's funny. But we compiled their lists and came up with seeds and came up with some regions.

00;05;39;29 - 00;05;56;28
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And so for the night, what I want to do is I want to treat our night a little bit like a selection show. So I'm going to hop in & I'm going to start creating some of that programing on Planning Center. And I'll catch you on the other side.

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There's

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no traditional game in the sense, but we are going to play kind of a quasi sort of like hybrid game in the middle of it. So we're

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going to start with a hype song. And then as soon as that's done, we're going to fire the selection show, bumper video. So again, I'm trying to kind of emulate like the selection Sunday night selection show of March Madness.

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And so as you can see, this Movie Madness logo here looks very much like, March Madness logo. And then myself and one of my coworkers, Allie, we're going to get up on stage and we're going to kind of have on like, jackets or like blazers, like people who are, you know, who are revealing stuff like on ESPN or whatever.

00;06;38;28 - 00;07;05;16
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And we are going to welcome the room. And we're not like, we're not going to break character. We're going to be, you know, in character, doing the thing the whole time. Welcome the room live on stage. And then we're also going to, reveal that we are launching a brand new, spring bracket. We're not revealing that the choice of movie is what's going to be played on movie night, but we're going to reveal that we are, in fact, having a bracket, and then we're going to cut to a field reporter.

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And this we're going to video ahead of time. I haven't done this yet, but just right now, I came up with the idea, we're going to video ahead of time. Another one of our staff people, Kaleigh and she's going to, announce the Pixar region. And so for us, we're going with, inside out as the number one seed versus Wall-E, and then Toy Story versus monsters, Inc. she's going to give a little bit of breakdown analysis on it, and then she's going to predict winners of each of those matchups, and then she's going to predict a winner of the winners.

00;07;34;21 - 00;07;52;12
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So she says, like inside out, it's going to be Wall-E. And Toy Story is going to beat Monsters Inc and then Inside Out versus Toy Story. She believes Inside Out is going to win, hypothetically, right? She'll say something like, that's just my opinion, but you guys get an opportunity to vote right now on Instagram or YouTube. Login right now, a scan QR code on the screen.

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So we'll edit all of that and put that all together. And then that will cut back to me and Allie and we'll kind of like talk about that a little bit, announce the next region, which is going to be the hero region. And we're going to be announcing this one over with a little bit of a game.

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And so we're going to cut to Eli and Cody, and then they're going to, play like an emoji. Guess game, which I'm actually going to include inside the pack of this. I'm going to include an emoji guess game as a part of like the launch. So Spider-Man across Spider-Verse versus Big Hero six and Avengers Endgame versus The Lego Movie.

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And then, the winner of that, they'll what we'll do then is we'll have them, go like head to head, and we'll have them, like, thinking, so, like, who's going to who's going to win, who's going to get it right, Eli or Cody or neither. And then we'll like pause the video and let them vote on sidekick.

00;08;50;01 - 00;09;10;20
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And then we'll come back and play the results. So that'll kind of be they'll kind of satisfy as like our game. Right. But it's all a part of this greater like selection show. And then that will that end into our brand new series. Are you turn bumper and then Ben, one of our associates who did not send in a list, by the way, is going to preach first half of his message

00;09;10;23 - 00;09;12;01
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in with a table talk.

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And then we're going to come back out of that into a commercial. And Ben is going to do the commercial, and he's going to do the comedy region. And this one I'm kind of doing like dad jokes or like, I don't know, like really cliche thing. So he and this is also going to sort of satisfy as like the announcement section of our night.

00;09;32;02 - 00;09;51;05
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So like, we're doing, they won't of spring break anxiety. We're doing ice cream. Day two, we're doing a thing called activate. It's like live, immersive, like games. Day three is our tournament thing. And then day four is the movie night. And so he's going to say like day one, we're doing ice cream, which is soft and squishy.

00;09;51;05 - 00;10;16;06
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Speaking of soft and squishy, the first in our comedy region, Shrek day two had to activate where you're going to have to activate your Megamind, which is the second movie in our comedy night. Day three, we're hosting an invite style tournament where you're going to have to unlock your athletic inner prowess and kung fu skills, just like, seed number three, which is Kung Fu Panda in the comedy region.

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And finally, day four is our movie night. Will we be watching this fourth movie here? Despicable me voting is now live on YouTube and Instagram. Head on over. So we'll kind of like build that up, play that up. And so it's going to be three different prerecorded video segments Kaylie's Field Report Eli and Cody's game. And then Ben's kind of like announcement thing.

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And that's going to put every single one of our staff people on screen or on stage for the night. And then back to me and Ali. Remember like, man, spring break hanging sound like fun. And that leads us to our final region, the legend region, which is How to Train Your Dragon versus The Princess Bride and Rogue One versus The Sandlot.

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Cast your vote online now you know, blah blah blah, yada yada yada. And then we will, and then we will go into Ben's message and actually right here as I'm explaining this, I'm going to move the bumper because Ben's going to earlier. He's going to come in after an emoji, video. So he can come in with that.

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That'll already be a video. And then this will allow that to allow them to fire the bumper. He'll come in, he'll do the rest of his message table talk, and then we'll have two response songs at the end. And then me and Ali back on. The selection show will essentially serve as the messenger app. And the dismissal, for the night.

00;11;31;13 - 00;11;47;14
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So that's kind of how we're going to launch this thing and let it go. Know that, like part of our reasoning strategy behind this is a it's going this is why I like the idea of hybrid, right? This is taking an in-person moment or movie night and pairing it with online online voting on YouTube and so and and Instagram.

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And this pushes people to our social channels and to our social pages. And so we get followers, we push our people to our online presence. If they're interacting with it, then the algorithm is going to feed them more of what we have, and it's going to, create like the in-person moment. So every week we get an opportunity then to be like, here's how you guys voted and all that stuff.

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And as always, we have printed paper versions that students without phones can print. And by the way, I'm giving you this entire resource for free. The movie emoji Guesses, as well as the entire bracket like assets that you'll need for, launching and doing this in

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your own ministry. You can grab it now. You can do it for an in-person movie night, or you can just do it because it's fun to have something else going on in the background.

00;12;36;00 - 00;12;52;03
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And, you can make this a part of your youth ministry. And so I have tons of these. I'm going to submit this to you. I by the end of the day, it'll be hopefully on there. But you can save money if you just hop on over and become a $4 per tier, $4 per month hybrid hero member to you.

00;12;52;03 - 00;13;12;28
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It's like if this resource ends up on you, I am for like seven bucks, let's say, like your hybrid hero is going to get you this this resource, along with the previous four resources, all for free. You're going to save money going over there. And I'm going to give you the different ideas and times when we lean into something creative like this.

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Right? No game. Right? No traditional game. We're doing a whole selection style show, but we're still like doing an entire youth ministry 80 minutes long. We got worship, teaching and like fun elements all woven throughout, launching this brand new thing and announcing an event coming up like this is an example of the creative programing that we're trying to lean into in our context and want to help encourage you to.

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And that is the whole purpose of my, thing. So I'm going to hop in the lab.

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All right. Welcome to Movie Madness. This is kind of meant to mirror March Madness, but whether you do this in March or not, this is just a great thing to run in the background of your youth ministry and also promote your social media, so you don't need to do anything with it aside from just launch it on your social media and let students vote, or you can let it drive towards something bigger.

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Like for us, we're going to let this drive toward a spring break hangout movie night in our context. And so the way that is kind of set up is that we have curated, at our on our team, amongst our staff, 16 different movies. And then they're in four different regions. So we have the, the Pixar region, the hero region, we have the comedy region, and then we have the legend region.

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And then each of those, they will face off against each other in a head to head voting style event. Students will vote. We typically, staff at where it's like one night we launch a big thing and we make a whole ordeal out of it. And then the voting happens on social media. So we typically let them vote on like, Instagram stories.

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And we also, push towards like a thing like YouTube. And so, you can take some of these graphics that I have created and then you can post them onto your stories. And then each week you as you meet back together with your students, you reveal who won voting wise from last week and who's moving on to the next week until you crown an ultimate champion.

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Like I said, you can allow this to be a part of your programing each and every single week and make a big deal out of it. Or you can just have fun on your social media. There are widescreen videos and graphics and fonts and templates, so that you can advance it custom in your context. You can print out some some papers.

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Students can vote on paper, you can have them vote on social media or you can use something like the voting feature inside Kick and vote just in the room and have students go one by one. We will do a combination kind of of all three in our context. And then at the end, we'll crown one champion from each of these four regions.

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And that will be how we decide which movie we're going to be watching in our spring break hangout movie night. So, thank you for checking this resource out. I hope it's helpful to you, and I hope you have fun as you crown a movie champions through this movie madness resource. Well, that is the video, the one you just saw.

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That's the video that I'm going to include in the how to play, resource on download youth miss you. You let me know. Comment down below. Did I complete the challenge? Is this bracket resource? Is this

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enough? Is this considered a game or not? From scratch? I think it is, but you can decide. And so I'm going

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to go ahead and give myself a check mark for this.

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Yes. And then we've also went ahead and we have, we have recap the night and I let you know how it went over on my Patreon link down below if you want to subscribe to that for hours per month, you'll get this resource completely for free. Or you can head over to the museum and see if it's available on the site yet.

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If not, I got the free early release version of it. And that's linked in the podcast episode that dropped on Monday over on my Patreon. Guys, thanks so much for being here for this. For part, how I program my youth ministry has been a super fun ride. I've had a blast doing it. But until next time.

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And as always, my friends, don't forget stay happy.