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Episode 113: Teaching iPad Kids with Brainrot - Gen Alpha Unlocked

Nick Clason — Thu, 05 Sep 2024 04:00:00 -0500

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WHAT IS BRAINROT?!
How do we teach a generation sucked down the "Brainrot" wormhole?
What are the unique social challenges facing Gen Alpha?
And what is the ONE KEY to getting through to this Generation as a teacher, pastor or educator?
Finally, we'll explore the difference between traditional teaching models and more modern approaches to learning.

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🕰️TIMECODES
00:00 What is Brainrot?
01:30 Social Challenges Facing Gen Alpha
05:13 5 Keys to Actively Listening
07:42 Traditional vs. Modern Teaching Methods
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✍️TRANSCRIPT
00:00:00:00 - 00:00:01:03
Nick Clason
In this episode,

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we're going to explore the different social challenges facing the iPad generation

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known as Generation Alpha. I'm also going to share with you the one key to getting through to this generation. And finally

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was what are the traditional teaching models versus modern methods of teaching? But

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first, what in the world

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is brain rot? I went to the world's foremost authority, which is Reddit, and you know that with this person, this user is, Sakai said.

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Brain rot is the idea that exposure to

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certain content can basically turn you into an idiot.

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Have you heard? Have you heard the term brain rot? Give me a like if you have and give me a subscribe if you haven't, because you probably need to hear some of this stuff. But according to Mccrindle and fell in the book that I am reading for some of this research on Generation Alpha, they said Gen Alpha seamlessly integrates technology and screens into their lives, and they can't imagine a world without it.

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Furthermore, they said Generation Alpha is using Texians before they could talk, and so we have yet to see the full impacts of their interactions with

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screens, which is why I believe some people say that Generation Alpha is doomed.

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They consume more and more content

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online. That is just silly and dumb and stupid. And I think that's where some people go ahead and dub it and classify it as brain rotten.

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So how can we as parents and educators, pastors and teachers who love them? How can we

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pull them up out of it? Well, to make matters worse, beyond just this brain rot thing, there are some social challenges that

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Generation Alpha is facing on a regular basis, according to parents. The top five things that Generation Alpha is facing is bullying.

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Online bullying through social networks, navigating their own mental wellbeing, social pressure to be a high achiever and then the pressure to grow up faster. The list is the same with educators, but it's in a little bit of a different order with a little bit of different percentages. Educators would say the number one thing that Generation Alpha is facing is online bullying through social networks, the pressure to grow up faster.

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Social pressure to be a high achiever, navigating their own mental wellbeing and then navigating loneliness and social isolation.

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Tony George, who's the headmaster at The King's School, says this is never before have we been so connected and yet so lonely at the same time. And so to be human is to be relational. Yet social media has now come to amplify the worst of humility the anti-social.

00:02:27:27 - 00:02:48:12
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Technology amplifies wellbeing issues like bullying, and we have to deal with that. Other issues facing Generation Alpha that are social challenges are things that we just have to be aware of and come to grips with. Up aging. We talked about up in the last video, which is linked right here. When we explored and introduced Generation Alpha for the first time.

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Another thing that kind of comes to the forefront, especially with

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education, is just sitting still. This

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generation is finding it harder and harder to stay still. And so in a traditional classroom setting, how do you manage something like that?

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You know my own context in student ministry.

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One of the things that I do to sort of overcome the sitting still conundrum is we try to integrate, turn and talks where I'll teach for a little bit, and then I'll let them turn and have an opportunity to talk.

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I use this

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feature on demand side gig presentation model that has different poll features so that they can use their phone. They can seamlessly,

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as we said earlier, seamlessly integrate into the technology that's in front of them

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and try to create moments of interaction amongst them, amongst myself as the communicator and the presenter. I try to break up my teaching methods so that I'm not like teaching for like a half an hour straight, but I'll teach for a little bit, and then we'll put a break in the middle and do some other stuff, and I'll teach

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a little bit more.

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We also like to put paper down on the tables that they're sitting at, so that they can doodle

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on it, or even just take notes to keep paying attention to what's going on in the

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room. Other things that they face online bullying,

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children, developing with technology is another thing that they face. Like, for example, kids who say, hey, Alexa, play like that's just a normal part of their vernacular, and we don't know what the implications are yet

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for kids who have been raised with this as a normal fabric and part of their life.

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I know

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I installed my very first Alexa when my, now eight year old, who is in Generation Alpha, was a baby, and so he's only ever had an Alexa device in his house.

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And YouTube is becoming the preferred source and piece of entertainment with Generation Alpha, with, people like PewDiePie. Dude. Perfect. MrBeast, Ryan's World, and the odd is out.

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And

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finally, how do we keep these kids safe? Parents especially are concerned about safety of Generation Alpha, especially with

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the rise of shows like Murder Next Door. And so how do we keep our children and Generation Alpha safe? Well, I'm glad that you asked,

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because I now do think that with those social challenges sort of in view, how do we with those social challenges with the idea of brain rot, what is the key to getting through to this generation?

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Let's check it out. one of the keys, I believe, to getting through to Generation Alpha is to be an active listener.

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Once again, from the book Generation Alphabet. Mccrindle and Phil, they give kind of five steps to active listening. And I want to share them with you because I thought that they're fantastic because we all the generation Alpha was grown up with, cell phones and technology.

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We all are victims to the cell phone, world. And we all are victims to screens. And so they're keys to kind of this active listening is, number one

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to squarely face the listener. When

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you squarely face the listener, you

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can demonstrate full attention and interest.

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Number two, open body language. So

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put down your screen, uncross your arms.

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And that indicates and communicates interest and attention.

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If you lean forward, lean towards them. Then that will help give

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the speaker, the idea that you are interested as opposed to leaning back, which, kind of helps demonstrate that you may be less interested in what they have to say.

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Finally, eye contact offer focus on the speaker, and we look them squarely

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in the eye and give them our full attention.

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That also communicates that they have value and that what they say matters and is interesting. And then finally

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give responsive gestures like nods and ahas and other affirming feedback. The speaker will share more as we, as a listener, display our empathy and our ability to engage with them. Now, here's the thing. You all know that you've all heard that that's just the key to active listening.

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But with screens as a hurdle in a lot of our lives, we need to practice putting those things down and practice active listening with Generation Alpha. And I believe that we will help them get off of their devices if we can show them and share with them a way to interact as human beings. 2018 The National Institute of Health reported that children who spend more than two hours on screens demonstrated lower language and thinking skills,

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and so it's important that we all help model four generation Alpha, who's grown up with screens, who's only ever known a model for them, what it's like to have healthy relationship with other human beings, and also how to get

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away from screens and really experience and unlock the fullness of life. So if we're teachers, pastors, educators, I'm a youth pastor. Like, how do we teach Generation Alpha more than 4 in 5, but 83% or more in seven and ten? About 71% of educators believe that schools today are doing much better at engaging students with their very different learning styles,

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but teach students today are experiencing a teacher facilitated, interactive, learning centric environment, and classroom layouts are now designed to help sort of reflect this.

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And so what are some of the keys and the differences between traditional teaching models and and more? classic and now new like learning styles. It's kind of like the difference between self-directed and some of the individualized styles of learning. And so unlike a traditional classroom setting, you may be more verbal and just talk more, but I think a more modern style of learning for Generation Alpha is they're more visual.

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So how can you bring about visual aid? How can you bring about

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object lessons and things that are going to allow them to see it with their eyes and let that come to life in a little bit of a different way? Traditional

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models might be, hey, sit and be quiet and listen. But now more modern methods of learning are try it and see.

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And, you know, I think that's a challenge for a lot of us in churches and in student ministry, because how do we help kids try and see what is there in the Bible? You know, last week I tried something. It was an experiment. I don't even know if I liked it yet or not, but I had students look up verses to help me describe the character of God.

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And then when they looked them

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up, they told them to me. And from the stage and from the platform, I had my TV or my my, computer, airplane, Bible gateway.com. And I looked at verse up live time and then it would show on the screen, and then everyone could read it together. That was just an example of me trying to let them kind of try to look up in the Bible for themselves and then see what they looked up and kind of add to the teaching method.

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Traditional. Other traditional methods of learning might be an authoritarian method of learning with the teacher who's in charge and who's the boss. But now more modern methods of learning are a participant per participatory right, letting generation Alpha actually participate in their learning and in the teaching style. Traditional models might be more curriculum centered, where now they're more learner

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centric and trying to get through to them and give them, what they need in order to learn, traditional might

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be more closed book exams, but we live in an open book world,

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right?

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You're never going to be faced to in a situation where you don't have access to find the answer to something, especially with a cell

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phone in your pocket. So how do we as educators, as teachers, as pastors, how do we navigate that for

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Generation Alpha in a way that makes sense?

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Traditional would be books and paper. But now we have glass and we have devices.

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We have cell phones. We have ways to look things up. Traditional would be theoretical thinking, but now there's more practical skills that need to be taught and conveyed and

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and given to the next generation. As we said in the last episode, that several of the jobs that they're going to be taking are going to be different than than jobs that even exist now.

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And finally, direct

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instruction versus inquiry based learning. So,

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so with all of this different kind of conflicting information, what do you think our approach to education as pastors and educators should be with Generation Alpha? What even further more should be should our approach with cell phones be should we embrace them and find a way to let generation Alpha use them, or should we push them away because they disrupt the traditional ways of teaching and educating?

00:11:44:14 - 00:12:01:12
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How do we navigate that? As youth pastors? How do we navigate that as parents? What do you do if you have a generation alpha kid, do you lean into a phone? Do you embrace it or do you hold off giving it to them? Well, I'm glad you asked because I want to explore that in the very next episode, which is linked right here on screen.

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So feel free to tap that. And I would love to talk to you even more about my findings in that, don't forget that we are making digital discipleship easy, possible, and accessible. So as always, stay hybrid.

Episode 112: Is Generation Alpha Doomed?

Nick Clason — Thu, 29 Aug 2024 04:00:00 -0500

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Is Generation Alpha doomed?
With things like skibidi toilet rizz, brainrot and their utter disdain for the state of Ohio, can these kids even come back from all that?
Not to mention Covid-19 destroyed a lot of their educational impact, many can't read and are having a hard time with that, can this generation come back from all that?

Who is Gen Alpha, and how can educators, teachers and pastors make an impact on this generation?

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🕰️TIMECODES
00:00 Is Generation Alpha Doomed?
01:42 The Birth Years of Current Generations
03:44 Who exactly is Generation Alpha?
06:29 Defining Characteristic #1
08:17 Defining Characteristic #2
09:22 Defining Characteristic #3
10:53 Defining Characteristic #4

11:46 Defining Characteristic #5
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✍️TRANSCRIPT

00:00:00:01 - 00:00:20:11
Nick Clason
Is Generation Alpha doomed? Check out this quote. It says youth today love luxury. They have bad manners. They have contempt for authority. No respect for older people. And they talk nonsense when they should be working. They contradict their parents. They talk too much in company that guzzle their food. They lay their eggs on the table and they tyrannized their elders.

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Now, if you think that this is talking about Generation Alpha, then give me a like. If you think it's like my generation Z. Go ahead and give me a subscribe. And if you think you know that this quote was within the last century, then you owe me a turning on the bell. Because in this episode and in this future playlist, we're going to be exploring the world of Gen Alpha.

00:00:41:00 - 00:01:08:03
Nick Clason
But would you be surprised to know that this is actually a quote from the Greek philosopher Socrates, who lived between 470 and 390 9BC yes, the fact that the next generation throws older generations off their scent is not an uncommon phenomenon in human history. I mean, just look at the fact that this quote came all the way back from Socrates.

00:01:08:03 - 00:01:37:10
Nick Clason
So we're going to be exploring Gen Alpha, and are they doomed? If you've been on YouTube or searching on social media, you've heard things like they are doomed, they're in trouble. What even is this generation? Who are these skinny, rich toilet kids like? What does any of this even mean? The fact of the matter is, like generations that are younger often throw off generations that are older, and the older you get, the harder it is to connect and have a bridge back to that younger generation.

00:01:37:16 - 00:01:58:14
Nick Clason
So in the world today, the current generations that we have living are our builders. And they were born in 1925 through 1945. They are the elders of are the oldest generation that's currently alive to this day. And then moving on, we have the boomers who are in some cases still in the workforce, but all beginning to start to phase out.

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And they were born in 1946 through 1964, and probably the oldest, in the workforce, majority is generation X, and they were born in 65 to 69. And then shout out to me and all my other fellow millennials, we were born in 1980 through 1994. Gen Z was then born in 95 through 2009 and then finally Gen Alpha.

00:02:22:15 - 00:02:42:10
Nick Clason
They are quantifying it at 2011 through 2024. And so I got the lion's share of this research from Mark Mccrindle and Ashley Fell's book. It'll be linked down below in the show notes. If you're interested in checking out, it's called Generation Alpha. Understanding our children and helping Them Thrive. So let's talk about some of the different things about Generation Alpha.

00:02:42:10 - 00:03:03:23
Nick Clason
So first and foremost, every generation since boomers spans of about 50, at least 15 years. Right. And they've used, labels to kind of, letters to label these different generations. And so there have been other attempts made, for example, like millennials, but when you use something like millennials, it actually creates a little bit of a vague birth range.

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And so while we are oftentimes called millennials, they're also just called Gen Y by a lot of sociology and researchers. And so then thus as we got to Gen Z, we started back over at the beginning alphabet. And that's how we get Generation Alpha. Some people have proposed to code generation Alpha. Corona owes due to the Covid 19 pandemic and the fact that they lived during that and in some cases were even born during that.

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Nick Clason
But they, while Covid was a massive part of their upbringing, in their childhood, they will continue to be shaped by the next three to 5 to 10 years. And not just that singular moment, though it felt longer than a moment did it? Not of Covid 19. But the next question I want to kind of uncover and unpack is who exactly is Gen Alpha?

00:03:49:10 - 00:04:18:11
Nick Clason
You know, by December 2024, they are predicting that Generation Alpha will have a total of 2 billion globally, which will make them the largest generation in the history of the world. Technology and customization have shaped their childhood, and while Gen Z saw the rise of customization generation, alpha is going to begin to see the rise of personal ization.

00:04:18:13 - 00:04:47:20
Nick Clason
And so Covid 19 will likely transform how Generation Alpha has approached technology, education, work, face to face interaction, mental health, and the concept and topic of resilience. But while our oldies are moving up into the ages of eight through about 12 years of age, they're calling the phenomenon. And those students and those kids who are that age, they're calling it the phenomenon of up aging, which means that kids in the 8 to 12 range are actually growing up faster.

00:04:47:24 - 00:05:17:02
Nick Clason
They are maturing physically earlier than other previous generations. And so kids are getting older quicker. And that's what we're seeing, some of this, interaction of them on, on social media and on YouTube and, and acting and seeming a little bit more like adults. But also adolescence is being pushed back further. So they're aging up quicker, but adolescence is being pushed back further because adult, life often was characterized by things like marriage or as characterized by things like having children or getting a mortgage.

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But those things are now being pushed back. And this generation, they're predicting, will stay in education longer. They'll start their earnings later and they'll stay at home longer than was the case with some previous generations. And so we're seeing this phenomenon of them being ushered into being older earlier, but staying in adolescence. It's longer. It's an interesting phenomenon.

00:05:40:01 - 00:05:59:20
Nick Clason
And it creates and it's certainly unique and complex challenge for those of us who are in education or in, in, the church space. But I love this concept that generation Z saw the rise of customization, but Generation Alpha is now seeing the rise of personalization. Think about the algorithms and the, different eyes that are now out there.

00:05:59:20 - 00:06:21:22
Nick Clason
Like these are completely radical phenomenons and it completely changes and re formats the way that certainly boomers and certainly Gen X and all of us have approached education of certain, groups of people and mass education moments. And so I want to explore in the next section five characteristics of generation Alpha that are worth us paying attention to.

00:06:21:25 - 00:06:51:01
Nick Clason
And, how it then will shape the way that we educate and innovate and approach this generation. So characteristic number one is digital, right? They are not just I love the way that Barna put this. They're not just digital natives, they are not digital dependents. Right. So while Gen Z probably didn't get their first device until later elementary school generation Alpha has always had access to devices, even if it's not their own right.

00:06:51:01 - 00:07:17:23
Nick Clason
Like research has actually, noticed and noted a drastic uptick in screen and app based play among children. The US reported that in ages 18 through 12, they consume on average four hours and 44 minutes of screen time per day, but that average increases up to seven hours and 22 minutes. If a student is between the ages of 13 and 18 years old.

00:07:17:23 - 00:07:39:11
Nick Clason
So digital and apps and screen time, it's not going away. And so all of us in the education space and as parents, we have to figure out how do we navigate this as it's being inundated more and more and more and more? I mean, I just think about the phenomenon of Disney, you know, pre 2014. You go around, you do fast passes and you have to walk to different rides in the park and grab a fast pass ticket.

00:07:39:11 - 00:08:01:04
Nick Clason
And it would tell you when to return for your return ride time. But now every thing is mobile. And while that's convenient, certain critics of Disney have made a comment that you go to the park and you have to be glued and tied to your phone all day long, the only way to truly experience the park the best way, the most optimal way, is through digital.

00:08:01:04 - 00:08:32:21
Nick Clason
And while that's convenient, and certainly for a podcast like mine, which is the hybrid ministry show, it doesn't take into account the fact that sometimes we just want to be present. We want to be free and tethered away from our digital devices. Another characteristic, characteristic number two, is that they are a social generation. So although in-person social interaction may certainly be an area that needs work in Generation Alpha, kids today are more than any other generation X, extensively socially connected to and shaped by their peers.

00:08:32:21 - 00:08:57:08
Nick Clason
In the book Generation Alpha by Mccrindle and Fellow, it talks about the phenomenon of Ryan and Ryan's world and how kids these days are influenced by that. Like, for example, my kids because of Ryan, he tried one episode. I can't remember, he tried, seaweed. And my kids are like, we want to try seaweed. Never in their life have they ever even been interested or even knew that seaweed existed.

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Nick Clason
But they tried it and they liked it. And we still buy it to this day for a snack. And so kids today are influenced by a network that is connected 24 over seven across social, geographical and demographic boundaries. But there's also a downside to this hyper connectivity, such as cyber bullying, and never actually being able to completely disconnect from these networks of relationships.

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Nick Clason
Characteristic number three is that they're global. So because of the internet generation, alpha is actually the first truly global generation. I want to share with you the Oxford Dictionary word of the year to highlight how global this generation is. And as you as I read through it. And it'll be listed here on screen. If you're watching on YouTube, you will see just how, what is going on in each of these years.

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Nick Clason
It'll be kind of a little bit, trip back down memory lane, especially if you're older and you're a millennial, like me or older. But in 2011, the word of the year by Oxford Dictionary was app. In 2012, it was cloud, 2013, it was a hashtag, followed by 2014, which was the selfie 2015. Look at this on screen.

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Nick Clason
If you're watching, it's the face with tears of joy emoji. It's not even a word. It was literally an emoji. 2016 the word was post-truth. 2017 the word was fake news. 2018 the word was toxic. 2019 is climate energy. In 2020, there's a myriad of words Covid 19 lockdowns, social distancing, ISO, Black Lives Matter, cancel culture and superspreader.

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Nick Clason
You take your pick of which word matter. But that right there just shows how global and how how much Generation Alpha has actually gone through. So when the only screen in the house think about this was the television. You and I, as parents, we could more easily monitor what our children consumed and watch. But now with a new digital generation with more access to online devices, parents are finding it harder and harder to shield children from the wider world.

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Nick Clason
Characteristic number four is that they are mobile, right? The average, stay in one working job has shortened now to just about over three years. The gig economy, which is when organizations will use temporary hires, and independent workers, that gig economy mentality that begins to play a part in this new generation, the world economic Forum predicts that 65% of Generation Alpha will actually end up working entirely new jobs that don't even exist yet.

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Nick Clason
They're incredibly mobile, and they're able to be to pivot and to move and be nimble and and kind of string together different opportunities. Far be it away from the way that we as older generations have, have taken it with pensions and retirements and all these types of things like that is becoming a more archaic way of working. And characteristic number five is this generation is incredibly visual, with stories and games have come to life for Generation Alpha students, are facilitated by things like technology and visual apps and videos and content in which they regularly engage with.

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Nick Clason
Generation Alpha expects to consume information. YouTube is the second largest and most popular search engine in the world, but for Generation Alpha, YouTube is the number one search engine in the world. And so that idea of visual is just going to continue. But here's the good news if you're an youth minister, your for your education, or if you're in church ministry, you don't have to panic, right?

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Nick Clason
Because the generations older than us that say Generation Alpha is doomed. We as educators and as people in youth ministry who often go before, have had generations before us freak out about different generations. You and I, we have the opportunity to stand in the gap and help bring these together. Right? All the way back to Socrates. generations have been freaking out about and looking ahead at the different generation and curious about and unsure of what's different.

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Nick Clason
But these things, all of us are aware at the different and the shifting and the ever changing landscape of generations. You and I, as youth pastors, we're well aware of this at one level or another. So how do we, with this information, also make us more effective as educators, as teachers, as pastors in reaching and sharing the gospel with these students in our churches and in our youth ministries.

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Nick Clason
You know, I actually have just the resources to help you out with that's linked right here on screen in the very next video. I'm glad that you asked, because I would love for you to take a look at that. And as always, don't forget we're making digital discipleship easy, possible, and accessible, especially for Generation Alpha. So stay hybrid.

Episode 109: Don't be scared of Social Media with Nate Clason

Nick Clason — Thu, 08 Aug 2024 04:00:00 -0500

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And be sure to stick around to the very end, because live on the podcast, Nate and Nick discover one additional benefit to social media that will help youth pastors win with parents, pastors and even elders at your church!

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🕰️TIMECODES
00:00 Intro
00:51 How did you end up as a youth pastor?
02:29 What was your original relationship with digital?
04:45 What would you say to a "regular" youth pastor?
12:10 What wins have come from social media?
19:27 What in your context has been most effective?
23:20 Additional benefits of Social
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✍️TRANSCRIPT
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What is up everybody?

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Welcome back to another episode

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of the Hybrid Ministry Show

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I am your host, Nick Clason

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here with you as always

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and if you’ve been here the last couple of weeks

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you know that we’ve been doing some different interviews

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It is with my brother, Nate Clason

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Good morning, Nate, how you doing bro?

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I'm doing pretty good.

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Probably not better than

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your wife, though, right?

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Don't say that to

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in front of anyone.

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You know, True.

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Well, I’ve known you longer

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That is true.

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But not too much longer, so.

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That’s probably what I’m thinking

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when I say that

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Nate, give us all

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a little bit of background

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what’s been your church

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youth ministry, student ministry

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experience and story

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kinda get that conversation

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out of the way

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set a little bit of a baseline

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as we dive into this

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social media discussion

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Yeah.

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So I felt called

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to, ministry at a Mexico

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missions trip.

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when I was in high school,

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a late high school,

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and actually kind of fell off.

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my journey a little bit.

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my journey a little bit.

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Kind of started

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serving, working

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in, like,

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the public work, you know,

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the secular work environment

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and just kind of saw

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I wasn't called

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the ministry anymore

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and got connected

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one day at my custodian

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job at a school

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with, a pastor's wife

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who was subbing at the school.

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And I told her,

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we were talking about music,

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and she found out

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that I could play

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a little bit of guitar,

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and she asked if I could

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help with her church worship

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and got connected that way.

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And through that,

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got connected

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with a, leader

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in that denomination

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who eventually got me ordained

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and got me connected

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with other pastors.

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Eventually,

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where I became a youth pastor.

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And now I'm

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serving in a little bit

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of a bigger church

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in the Taylorville area

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as the associate pastor

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of student

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ministry and worship ministry.

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So it started

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with worship ministry

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and kind of

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evolved into youth.

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And I never kind of

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saw that coming,

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but praise

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God that he got me to kind of

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where I felt

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called to years ago, you know?

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So that's cool.

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Yeah, so

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the gateway drug

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to your youth ministry

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was worship

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Yeah

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That’s where you started

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as you can tell

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by the man bun.

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Right?

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Yeah

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Or something about that manbun

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We won’t talk about that

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But

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You started doing youth ministry

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When you jumped into

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youth ministry

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What at that point

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was your like understanding

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or your relationship

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with digital and social media

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and all that type of stuff?

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I've always kind of

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been, like.

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I've always been aware

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of social media.

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Never knew how important

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it was to student ministry.

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I didn't really,

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it was actually post Covid

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when I really.

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Well,

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in the middle of Covid

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that I started

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getting involved

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in student ministry.

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And,

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I didn't have

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too many platforms.

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And my first church

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was social media,

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mostly through Facebook.

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I had that's pretty

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much it for my first church.

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And I mostly connected

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with parents on that platform.

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and I realized

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that probably wasn't

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a strength.

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so here, though,

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I would say that I've,

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I've kind of adapted, adopted,

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Instagram, Facebook.

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I created a TikTok.

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And Nick,

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I know you're so passionate

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about YouTube,

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me and Jessica have been

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talking recently,

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my wife,

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about the idea

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of getting on YouTube here

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soon,

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just because I feel like

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that'd be a bigger,

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overall

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reach for our students

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to, to have us on YouTube.

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But I'm not super connect.

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I wasn't super connected

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initially to social media.

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I would say that.

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So what was the

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What would you say was

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the driving force

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or the catalyst

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to get you connected

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to some of those things?

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Like what was your “aha” moment?

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If there was one?

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well, I think seeing you,

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like, super

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passionate about it

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and watching your podcast

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really, honestly like,

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and your

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different videos and clips

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on like TikTok and stuff

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on like TikTok and stuff

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of how important

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social media is

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kind of drives me

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to make sure I have that.

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And like really,

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a lot of that

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is truly

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from like your passion for it.

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And I'm seeing other leaders

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saying, hey, you know, like,

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this is a new era.

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It's no longer like

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you're not going

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to meet in person

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as naturally and as, as,

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as often as you like.

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And there's going to be kids

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that don't make it every week.

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So it's like

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it's good for them

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to have

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some sort of

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avenue of seeing,

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some of the stuff

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that we're talking about,

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even if it's just like a recap

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or whatever,

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just to kind of give them

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a basis of

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what we're talking about. So.

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Yeah, no doubt

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I would agree

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But that feels obvious, maybe

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So tell people

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I think it was helpful

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Because you’re a guy

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Who is like

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What I would deem as

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like a lot of other youth pastors in America

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You’re just kinda like

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jumping from week to week

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program to program

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like making sure you got a game

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making sure you got a message

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making sure you got a small group

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making sure you got enough leaders

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making sure you got enough leaders

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like all the things

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all the like whirlwind

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elements of just being a youth pastor

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and then

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you got someone like me

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who’s telling you

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“you need to get on social media”

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“you need to get on social media”

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speak to somebody

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who’s in the space that you were

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a year, year and a half ago

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that’s like

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“Yeah that sounds awesome”

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“I would love to”

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“There’s no way I could ever do it!”

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“It’s too hard”

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“It’s too much”

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It’s too...

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Whatever. Fill in whatever

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blank of why it’s

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why it’s not

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gonna be achievable or possible

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talk to somebody who’s in that

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in that sorta space

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like you were not too long ago

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Yeah.

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Well, there is a way to

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connect all your

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social media platforms

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so that when you post on

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it, posts on all of them,

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I think that's

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a big part of it.

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And honestly,

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I don't even

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like for some things.

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Like for my pictures,

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it goes from Instagram

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to Facebook.

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They're connected.

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But for some reason

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whenever I do a reel or video,

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they're not.

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So I have to go in

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and do it myself.

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Somehow.

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I'll have to

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figure all that stuff out.

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But,

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that's a part of

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it is like,

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if you haven't connected in

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some way to the same email

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and to the same connection,

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like you can link it

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so that when you post on one,

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it goes to all of them.

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And honestly,

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like not

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everyone sees each platform

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and sometimes they do.

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And that's okay.

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But I think it's

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just so important to know

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that kids are on,

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students are on

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these platforms,

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and they're

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looking for inspiration,

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they're looking for hope,

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and it's our way

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to kind of minister to people

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through the social

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media platforms

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that God has

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really entrusted us

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with as youth pastors,

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if we're on them,

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to do

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the right things on their

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not just not just,

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and it's

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good to have fun things

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and different activities

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and different

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like kind of goofy

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things for kids to kind of,

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you know, be by.

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But it's also good to have,

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you know,

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content

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that could inspire

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and change lives.

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and I, I've seen,

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aspects of both,

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you know, so it's good.

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Yep.

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So like that’s like the big

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picture reason.

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Students are on it...

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We should be on there...

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helping redeem those moments

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I like to think about

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in the Bible

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the Apostle Paul was using like

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pen and paper

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and then like mail carriers

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to like get his message across

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today I would envision that

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He would be using something like digital

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Exactly.

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Pretty vigorously

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to get his message across

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So that’s the big picture, “why”

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Yeah, Yeah

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Students are there, It’s important

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Talk about like

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What it took from just like time management

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Talk about what it took from like

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platform understanding

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You, I feel like

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correct me if I’m wrong, but

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I feel like you had to

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get to know how to use

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a lot of these tools

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talk to someone who may be

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in the space

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“I want to- I don’t even know what

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to do. Or how to do it.”

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Or like what’s even

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possible

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Or what ever I should do.

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Like get real practical

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You know,

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I think

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it doesn't take as much time

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as you think.

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I mean, yes,

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creating the video.

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I mean, you never,

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I think, was like

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creating a short

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or like a reel.

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You never want to make a reel

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any longer than a minute

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or so like that.

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So you really

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it doesn't take that long

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to create that video.

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If you could do it in

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1 or 2 takes, like it's

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not a big deal with that.

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And then

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that's a big part of,

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what students look at.

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They don't watch

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like long videos.

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They're not going to watch

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a 20 minute video.

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But if you can keep it

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a minute, you know,

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that's more realistic

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for them to kind of,

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you know, dive into it

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and interact with it.

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and I think

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a lot of

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it is like interaction,

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like if you, you know,

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what did you learn from

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this video?

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You know, make comment in the

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in the comments, tell us who

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who won this in this game or

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and I don't think it's

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I don't think it's,

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it's as much it's not as time

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consuming as you think.

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It's I mean,

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some people are

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slower than others

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and some people

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are faster than others

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at getting stuff done.

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But once you kind of

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get the bearings

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and the grip

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on, on different

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like ways of doing things,

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and you're in

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kind of your groove on things,

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it becomes pretty natural

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and second nature

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and pretty fast stuff done.

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I do a kind of a good amount

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of social media stuff,

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with even both worship

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and youth a little bit.

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Not as much with worship,

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but some.

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And it's like

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it's really

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it doesn't take that much time

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to, to post stuff, I think.

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yeah, that's that's

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an encouraging thing

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to think about.

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It's like

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it's not going to take

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you forever

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to get a couple posts

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out, a day

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or maybe several week.

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I think it's good to have

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at least one a day or,

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you know, multiple a week.

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So you can kind of

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get keep interacting

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with your students.

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So I don't know,

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is that what kind of answering

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your question? Okay.

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Yeah, for sure.

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I mean there’s like...

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I can’t remember, exactly

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I’m trying to look it up right now

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But there’s a book, the concept

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is called like “1,000 Hours”

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Maybe it’s 100 hours

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I’ll put the link in the

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shownotes if you’re interested

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I’ll figure it out

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But the concept

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is like

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No one is gonna be good at anything

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until they spend

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some time on it.

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And so if you feel intimidated

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by something

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of course you’re gonna

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feel intimidated by something

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new. It’s new!

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That’s what new stuff does

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None of us are good

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at new stuff right away

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And I think it’s really telling

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to your point

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You were in that boat

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And you were like:

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“I don’t know”

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Just to shed a little bit of light

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When I was telling you

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you should

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dive into some of this stuff

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You were like:

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“I don’t know man...”

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“I don’t really do that type of st-”

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“I don’t really do TikTok”

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“I don’t really do any videos”

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And I was just like:

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“Hey just try it. It’s not that hard.”

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Yeah.

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And so to hear you say now

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a year and something later

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“It’s not

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doesn’t take as much time.

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as you might think.”

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Yeah.

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That’s a good word on that

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The more time you

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spend on something

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the better you’re gonna get with it.

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Yeah.

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And so like

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I had one of our

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interns yesterday, say

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something about

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like video editing

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She was like

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“I wanna help you edit video”

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“I wanna do more video editing.”

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cuz she also wants to learn

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And I just looked at her

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I was like:

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“You just gotta do it.”

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Yeah.

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Like doing it is the key

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Sit down with it

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And the more you like

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sit down with it, spend time on it.

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The more you can get it done

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Yeah.

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I've learned on my phone

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cap cut.

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The free version.

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Even like it does wonders

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for a lot of things.

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Like there's

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there's a pro version

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that probably costs,

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but, like,

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even the free version

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has given me, like, a lot of,

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you know, help.

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And there's not a lot

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there's really

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not a lot to it.

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There's a lot of little things

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you have to kind of figure out

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what does what,

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but once you do,

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it's pretty easy to kind of

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get the gist of it

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pretty quickly.

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So.

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And ya know

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what’s even fun

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Yesterday, I had a

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student

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a 6th grader come in

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and I taught him how to edit

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videos for social media

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Awesome,

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And he edited two

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cool.

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In a 3 hour

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period of time

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He’d never used

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Adobe Premiere Pro

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It turned out pretty good?

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The videos?

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Yeah. I’ll post the link down below

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You can see the student’s

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edit

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Awesome

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Man, it was crispy

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It was a crispy edit

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Cool.

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Shout out to him

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Alright, so let’s...

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Shift gears a little bit, Nate

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And, umm

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Talk about

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what

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Advantages

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or what wins

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you have seen

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out of social media

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in your group?

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Right, what has

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having a camera around

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What has doing different like

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Challenges

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Your little like

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devotional thoughts

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Take it any direction you want

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But what has

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having these

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having just a presence

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on social media

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what has it done in your mind

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to your youth group?

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you know, I'm

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going to say something

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that may be a little bit off

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the track of this little bit,

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but it's related to this.

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I think I've noticed

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a lot more people

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outside of my ministry

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are being reached

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than just my students.

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There's people

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that see my videos

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that that are like,

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not from our ministry,

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that are like, inspired

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and like asking questions

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and like, where is CSM at?

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And all this stuff.

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And they

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may not

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even be from around the area,

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but they're like curious

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and finding things.

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And we're starting

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to get more students now

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and like seeing my videos

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and being in

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and following things.

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And actually,

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we copied off

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your guy's church

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one time you did this thing

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where you went up

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to students and go,

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hey, you know,

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do you follow Cross Creek,

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your church?

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And I go, hey,

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do you follow

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CSM on on TikTok

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or do you follow CSM

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on, you know, Instagram?

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And they're always scrambling

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and they show their phone

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and they either know

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who they do

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or because of that,

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they start following.

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You know,

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I think it's just

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so important to be present

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there.

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and, give them an avenue

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where they can

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if they missed a week

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and I, I don't always do it,

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but I try to do a recap video

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from the week before

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and talk

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more about different messages.

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And, I think they need that

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to kind of

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if they're not there, like,

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hey, they can

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they can see what's going on.

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So that's, that's really good.

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Yeah.

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Well and it’s even like

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Ya know

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you even said it

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there, like

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just by doing like something

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some little like

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challenge thing

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like it created like

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a fun

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Yeah.

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moment.

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Yeah.

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And then if

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you do go around

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and you’re kinda like

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doing man on the street-style videos

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and you’re

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interviewing people and tryina

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catch em not following you,

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or prove to

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people that they are following you.

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Then later, they’re gonna look

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for that online.

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Right? And then that’s gonna create

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and organic moment

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an organic shareable moment

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that they might

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show their friends

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“Hey, check this video out!”

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or something like that, right?

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like something that they could even

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then be proud of

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Ya know, and so there’s

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I think, opportunity

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Not

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just with people who don’t go to your church

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But also,

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with students that are

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Yeah.

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in your youth ministry.

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that can, ya know

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help them feel

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like some sort of sense of ownership

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and some sort of like, win

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in and through your social media

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it’s in the

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it’s a really low

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hanging fruit there, ya know?

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Yeah.

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And I

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feel like a lot of people.

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A lot of students,

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specifically students

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want to see other students.

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Sorry.

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On videos

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and, like, in things

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instead of just me.

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Just Jessica.

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That's the leader.

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They want to see students.

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And when they see students,

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they're more attentive

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to watch

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and kind of

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participate with it

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when when they're there

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instead of

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just adults

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kind of sharing recaps

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or whatever

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that may look like, you know?

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So I've learned that

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kind of the hard way

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a little bit, you know, so.

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Yeah, for sure.

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And we’re all just trying stuff, right?

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Like what I did, when I moved here

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I guess just about two years ago, now

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when I moved here like

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my strategy that I brought in is

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not the same strategy that I have today

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So, as you get going

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and I think that’s a good encouragement too

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back to the question a minute ago

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like just get started

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Yeah.

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and once you get started

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you’ll start to like uncover things

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that you didn’t know

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Right? Like

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a great example

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in our context is

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we had a resident, Caleb

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two videos ago

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I’ll link it right here

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Caleb

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But he

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had this idea

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about this thing called the Social Challenge

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and we would do a film

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a filming of it every single Wednesday night

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and he wanted that to be like

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a long form version of a YouTube video

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and so

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we did that for a semester

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and I mean, that, that

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project would eat his lunch

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cuz he would do it on a Wednesday night

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and then he would work all day

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on a Thursday on it

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and he didn’t work on Fridays

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so like his whole Thursday

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was eaten up by getting this social challenge edited

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posted

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up and live on YouTube

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and. But we, so we

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killed the long-form version of it

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because it was like the

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time factor. Like the immediacy of it

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But we shifted it to more short style

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more challenge style

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and what that’s done

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is that has like

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you said, that has put so many more

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students on our

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platform

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so we’ve taken the same block of time

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that we would have taken to shoot

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one big long video

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and we’ll just shoot like 5

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Okay.

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Five shorts.

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And then we can just bank them

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And so we got em

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Like I got in my

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folder right now, I got like

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5 or 6

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of like a certain style of game

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we call them drafts

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and then I got 5 or 6

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of another certain style of game

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we call it 7 Questions

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Yeah.

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And so like I have

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Some pretty like set

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what I post every day

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and when I post certain things

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but like

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when I don’t have something

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or when I need something to kinda

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fill the gaps

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like I got those

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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They’re just sitting

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right there. And so

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we stumbled into that

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Right? Like what we started with

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the idea of the social challenge

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what we started with

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is not what it is now

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Yeah.

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And what’s cool, is like

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it, in the room

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like in our programming

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it’s still called the same thing

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from when it started

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to what it is today

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we still call it the “Social Challenge”

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so students know what it is

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and students know there’s an opportunity

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for them to compete

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and get on camera

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and they love that stuff

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That's awesome.

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And it’s opt-in-able

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though, ya know?

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and that’s the nice part

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is like we say, “Hey”

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“During free time, if anyone wants

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to come do the Social Challenge

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we’ll be back here in this room.”

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And so it’s not forced

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Yeah.

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We’re not making anyone

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who is shy or whatever

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have to get on it

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But then you know

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there’s definitely kids who DO want to be on it

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Yeah.

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And they’re like banging down the door

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to get in there

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Do you have, like,

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the same, like,

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smaller, kind of smaller

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group of students

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that always

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want to be on videos?

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Or do you have a pretty good

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variety of students?

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I want to be on videos

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because I feel like it's

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kind of slim for me.

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of kids that actually

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want to be on video.

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Yeah, I mean it’s

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Yeah, I think it’s

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the same kinda group

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Yeah.

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the same like middle school

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boys

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Yeah.

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like the kid who edited

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is the kid who’s always on ‘em, too.

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Yeah yeah

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yeah yeah.

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Like he’s a

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he’s very camera hungry

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Yeah yeah.

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And that’s ok

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everyone’s gonna go through waves

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this kid doesn’t

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he’s a 6th grade-7th grade boy

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he’s not insecure about anything

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That's awesome

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But like one day he will be

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He probably won’t be that kid

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for his entire youth ministry career

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Right?

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And so like, you just

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that’s the nice part is you can offer that

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and if you got kids

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The other fun thing we’ve started to do

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Beyond just

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being on camera

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is like helping run the camera

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And so like maybe they don’t wanna be on the camera

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but maybe they can be like behind the scenes

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or edit

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Yeah.

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And that- students love

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getting a chance to do that

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And the more, I guess the older I’m getting

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the more I’m trying to figure out, like “How can I

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not just do student ministry

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for students,

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but how can I

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let students do student ministry for students?”

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That's good.

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So that’s one of the things we’re trying to pursue

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But Nate, tell me what

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in your context has

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been the most fun, or most effective thing?

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that you’ve done

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just with regard to digital

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it doesn’t have to be

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social media- anything, it can be anything

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any sort of thing in the digital space

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Well, I'll be honest.

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I've really recently

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kind of started a. And this.

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I don't even know

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if you consider this

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what you're looking at,

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but I started a Snapchat,

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group with our students,

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and I go, hey, invite.

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And that's a it's

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me social media

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invite

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anyone that is

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that is not that

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I don't have access to

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into this group chat.

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And people are just adding

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people as we go.

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And as soon as I add

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someone else

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and they have friends

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that are from CSM, I'm them.

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And it's like

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the group is grown,

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but the more people

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that are in there,

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the more it gets blown up.

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It's been fun to

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just kind of see it

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expand slowly

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throughout

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the last couple weeks.

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That's

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something that

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I'm excited about

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because it's like it's

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a different way of connecting.

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We have GroupMe

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and we connect through

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GroupMe mainly,

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but I think Snapchat

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should have a funner,

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like fun, fun way to like

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send funny pictures

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and whatever.

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Like you can best group

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like this

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kid was blown it up

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with with like

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filters of people's faces

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being all distorted and stuff.

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And just as he's being goofy

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and I don't know

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if that answers your question

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the way you wanted me to,

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but it's just, you know.

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Yeah, no, it’s great!

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I mean it’s

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that’s the thing, like

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every church is different, right?

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So I’m not going into this with any sorta

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like agenda

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I’m just tryina get

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to know what real youth pastors

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and real churches are doing

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like to connect with students

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and that’s a great example, because

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youth ministry 15 years ago

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like you don’t have that

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opportunity

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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Whether

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Cuz like our church

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doesn’t let us use Snapchat

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Oh, really?

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Whether it’s Snapchat

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or whether it’s GroupMe

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or whether it’s a Group Message

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or whether it’s an Instagram DM Group

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The concept

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is a group message

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Yeah.

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You and I, if we were youth pastors

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fifteen years ago

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we don’t have that opportunity

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Yeah.

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That doesn’t exist

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And so, that’s why I say

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it’s so important for youth pastors to just

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figure something out, because

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look at that opportunity

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like you have a chance to

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message your students

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on like a Tuesday morning

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Yeah.

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like otherwise you would have

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had to wait for them to

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Yeah.

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come to you

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to be a captive audience

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Yeah.

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But now we have the ability to

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And there’s like

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there’s checks and balances within that

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and there’s times where that can get abused

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but at the end of the day, like

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The opportunity that we have is fantastic

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Yeah.

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So, it’s

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Important I think to lean into that

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We should ask our dad

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how he did that

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when he was a youth pastor.

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You know, just to see for him.

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Fifteen years ago?

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What?

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Because he was doing it. What?

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It was like not many.

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There wasn't cell phones,

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you know.

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So how do you.

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Well yeah, you just didn’t

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do a group chat

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Yeah.

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It was all about the in-person

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It was.

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Yeah.

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And that’s the struggle

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Right? Like the struggle now

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sometimes when

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you introduce an idea of digital

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there may be an older

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generation or demographic

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that remembers it done a different way

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And no shade on that or them

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but the fact is we just

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live in a different day

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And so

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and whatever

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And so however they were doing things before

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teenagers have zero concept of that today

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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They are digital natives

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and digital dependents

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And so to

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not have something

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Right? And that’s the thing when I hear arguments

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from youth pastors who say:

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“Well, I don’t use social”

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“Well do you have a group chat?”

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“Well yeah we have a group chat!”

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“Well, you’re doing something!”

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You’re not doing nothing

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And so there’s

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That’s the thing I love, I love that

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the sky is legitimately the limit

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Wherever your creativity will lead you

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in today’s day-in-age

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you can do

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you can do anything

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Right? And it can be

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as robust of a strategy as you want

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or it can be as like

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paired down and focused on your kids

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Both are great, I think

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Yeah.

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So last thing, Nate

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How do you

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know something’s working?

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Like when you post something

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Or- how do you know when like

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that was good. That was a win?

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What are some of the things that

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you look for, whether it be

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like metrics, like number type things

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Or even just like

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the word on the street

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or the scuttlebutt that you might hear like

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in the hallways of church

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I think I see

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people share things.

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Even if it's not a lot of shares.

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Like, there's, like, adult,

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like adults that are in our

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our ministry

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that kind of see this stuff,

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and they'll share it.

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Or student

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and multiple students like it.

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We have a good amount of like

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we have a good

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amount of views.

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If there's a good

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amount of views,

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it means that it's

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kind of catching on.

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Honestly,

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I do a lot more reels,

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even for like picture

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on new picture reels.

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And they they're,

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they're ones

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that kind of

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just to kind of show

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like what

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we've done

00:24:09:02 - 00:24:10:08
in the night of CSM.

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I like to do like

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recap videos of

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like what we did

00:24:13:07 - 00:24:14:06
that last night

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at CSM or today or whatever,

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just kind of show people

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kind of quickly and pictures

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of what we've been up to you.

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And I think I don't

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I think our adults

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like parents and,

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and the adults in the church

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want to see what's going on

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with the students.

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And when the adults

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are encouraged

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and and feel

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uplifted by students,

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inspire inspiring others

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to come and and lead

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and leading their friends

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to Christ and

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and getting on stage on Sunday

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morning

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and leading worship and

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and when they get on

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stage on Sunday morning

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and and share

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the announcements

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in front of the whole church.

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that's just

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I think

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they're inspired by that

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and all that.

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You know, I,

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I, I capture that stuff and,

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and then I go on

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and share it

00:24:53:24 - 00:24:54:14
with their friends.

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Hey, this is something that

00:24:55:20 - 00:24:56:21
that happened in our church.

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Our students are doing things.

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So it's all related

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in the social media

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because you captured

00:25:00:16 - 00:25:02:03
the images and then

00:25:02:03 - 00:25:03:13
and then you,

00:25:03:13 - 00:25:04:01
share it on

00:25:04:01 - 00:25:04:23
like your platforms

00:25:04:23 - 00:25:05:18
to kind of show

00:25:05:18 - 00:25:06:20
the world and people

00:25:06:20 - 00:25:07:20
that God's up

00:25:07:20 - 00:25:08:06
to something

00:25:08:06 - 00:25:08:24
at Calvary Student

00:25:08:24 - 00:25:10:20
Ministries and, and just,

00:25:10:20 - 00:25:12:11
yeah, that's mainly it,

00:25:12:11 - 00:25:13:01
I think, is

00:25:13:01 - 00:25:14:22
just seeing people inspire

00:25:14:22 - 00:25:17:08
by what's going on. You know.

00:25:17:08 - 00:25:18:21
Well and think about it

00:25:18:21 - 00:25:20:24
if you didn’t have some sort of creative outlet

00:25:20:24 - 00:25:21:22
to share stuff like that

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like how would people know?

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cuz if they’re not

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They would have no idea.

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If they’re not in the room

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they don’t know

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Exactly.

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There’s another

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You just stepped in another benefit

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Right, like?

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People, adults, parents

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Pastors, elders

00:25:38:18 - 00:25:40:22
who are not coming to youth group

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on Wednesday nights or Sunday nights

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Especially not frequently

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You can help them

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Ya know, that’s a win for you

00:25:48:17 - 00:25:49:23
Maybe as a youth pastor too

00:25:49:23 - 00:25:52:01
Just putting some of that stuff out there

00:25:52:01 - 00:25:53:02
Yeah.

00:25:53:02 - 00:25:54:13
Like Nate said

00:25:54:13 - 00:25:57:17
“It’s not as hard as you think it might be.”

00:25:57:17 - 00:25:59:01
Yeah.

00:25:59:01 - 00:25:59:18
So last word

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last final bit of encouragement

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What would you say to someone who

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is on the fence

00:26:04:20 - 00:26:05:20
Who’s

00:26:05:20 - 00:26:08:00
maybe like you a year and a half ago, is like

00:26:08:00 - 00:26:09:14
“I’m not sure about all this stuff.”

00:26:09:14 - 00:26:11:05
What’s one thing

00:26:11:05 - 00:26:12:19
That you would say like, “Hey, do this”

00:26:12:19 - 00:26:15:18
Just. Just do this one thing

00:26:15:18 - 00:26:18:14
This week?

00:26:18:14 - 00:26:19:23
Yeah, that's a tough question.

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I would say like.

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Like kind of

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like what you said.

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Give it a shot

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and see if it see

00:26:26:23 - 00:26:27:14
what happens.

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I mean,

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you're not going to get.

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And don't be discouraged

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if you don't get

00:26:30:20 - 00:26:31:23
a hundred followers

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in the first,

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you know,

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couple days

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or weeks or months even, like,

00:26:36:15 - 00:26:37:07
it takes some time

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sometimes and sometimes slowly

00:26:39:07 - 00:26:40:16
growing thing.

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But,

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I say give it a shot

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and just

00:26:43:19 - 00:26:45:08
try it out for a little bit.

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And like I said, please

00:26:46:20 - 00:26:48:13
do not be afraid of the time.

00:26:48:13 - 00:26:50:03
Just like engaging it with it.

00:26:50:03 - 00:26:51:17
It's not as bad as you think.

00:26:51:17 - 00:26:52:22
And honestly, like,

00:26:52:22 - 00:26:54:02
I feel like youth

00:26:54:02 - 00:26:56:12
pastors are really called

00:26:56:12 - 00:26:58:00
to this generation

00:26:58:00 - 00:26:58:20
of reaching people

00:26:58:20 - 00:26:59:11
through social media.

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That's just where we're at

00:27:00:09 - 00:27:01:06
and in society

00:27:01:06 - 00:27:02:16
where we need to be

00:27:02:16 - 00:27:04:16
on social media in some way.

00:27:04:16 - 00:27:05:10
And I don't even think

00:27:05:10 - 00:27:06:05
that Facebook's really

00:27:06:05 - 00:27:07:11
that platform for students.

00:27:07:11 - 00:27:08:09
It's more for adults

00:27:08:09 - 00:27:09:03
at this at,

00:27:09:03 - 00:27:10:04
you know, Facebook's

00:27:10:04 - 00:27:12:03
more of an adult thing.

00:27:12:03 - 00:27:14:00
And so just find that avenue

00:27:14:00 - 00:27:14:22
that you can,

00:27:14:22 - 00:27:15:24
get started

00:27:15:24 - 00:27:16:17
with and connect them

00:27:16:17 - 00:27:17:16
together, connect your

00:27:17:16 - 00:27:18:08
link, your,

00:27:18:08 - 00:27:18:22
you know, your

00:27:18:22 - 00:27:19:16
platforms together

00:27:19:16 - 00:27:20:11
so it's easier for you

00:27:20:11 - 00:27:21:17
to post multiple things.

00:27:21:17 - 00:27:23:03
You got this.

00:27:23:03 - 00:27:24:04
The church needs you.

00:27:24:04 - 00:27:24:19
You know.

00:27:24:19 - 00:27:25:08
Yeah

00:27:25:08 - 00:27:26:05
Love it

00:27:26:05 - 00:27:27:08
Love it, well hey

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thanks for being on this morning

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Thanks for getting up early

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Yeah.

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I mean, I.

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And uh- and yeah

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Love you, brother.

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Hey, we'll stay in touch.

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You too!

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Hey! Stay Hybrid!

Episode 100: 💯 HybridMinistry - How it all Started

Nick Clason — Thu, 06 Jun 2024 04:00:00 -0500

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Episode 100 I decided to sit down with some friends that have all had a hand in the creation of the Full YouTube show we all had a hand in creating during the COVID-19 lockdown of 2020.

While Digital and Social Ministry were top of mind for me prior to 2020, the COVID shutdown thrust it into the forefront for me personally and I decided to dive fully into it.

When I started on the very first day of COVID, I had to get creative on how I introduced myself to students, parents and leaders without using the easy in person tools we'd all grown accustomed to using.

That being said, I'm grateful we still have access to those tools, today.

But I realized just how important Hybrid Ministry is to the next generation of teenagers.

This episode chronicles my first day, and I chat with friends who were instrumental in producing and creating the YouTube show we had crafted during those COVID days.

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🕰️TIMECODES
00:00 Intro
00:50 Hybrid Ministry During COVID
03:25 Two Weeks to Flatten the Curve
07:01 The Most Fun Memories of Unscripted
09:27 What this means going forward for churches in 2024 and beyond

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✍️TRANSCRIPT
00:00:00:00 - 00:00:02:01
Isaac Sutton
all of the students in the room,
who were watching unscripted,
had bingo
cards
that coordinated to stuff that
was.

Nick Clason
Yes.

00:00:08:19 - 00:00:09:23
Darren Sutton
digital integration is not a luxury. It's a necessity.

00:00:12:09 - 00:00:18:24
Sam Vos
it was probably I probably felt God's hand more in like my career, my life in that moment than a lot of other moments.

00:00:18:24 - 00:00:25:04
Nick Clason
unscripted played a really major role in like the catalyst to especially my podcast and everything like that.

00:00:25:04 - 00:00:31:04
Nick Clason
I would say the reason for that is simply realizing and understanding that students live online.

00:00:31:04 - 00:00:39:22
Darren Sutton
there's a lot I've messed up in my years of youth ministry, but that is one thing that I'm really proud of. Like in the middle of the pandemic, there was not a blank ministry kept going.

00:00:39:22 - 00:00:41:06
Sam Vos
we're going to try something different

00:00:50:00 - 00:00:55:02
ABC News
president's words come after the World Health Organization today declared the coronavirus a global pandemic,

00:00:55:02 - 00:00:57:19
Darren Sutton
I remember this very clearly.

00:00:57:19 - 00:01:01:24
Sam Vos
I mean, obviously, I came down to Parkview in February of 2020

00:01:01:24 - 00:01:06:06
Darren Sutton
the Thursday before we went home, we're like, yeah, there's something happening in the world that's not going to affect us. On Friday it became clear that

00:01:07:24 - 00:01:10:05
Nick Clason
which for context I started on Monday.

00:01:10:05 - 00:01:13:06
Darren Sutton
that maybe we'd miss a couple of weeks of meeting together. Yeah. And I have been toying around for a while with, like, a YouTube show. like, in my mind, that there was like, we were just not speaking a digital language at all.

00:01:24:06 - 00:01:25:12
Sam Vos
going there, Darren had a very kind of a new perspective on what he thought ministry would be. Right. So he was already kind of starting to talk about like, how do we take digital and kind of infuse that with what, you know, historically, youth ministry has been.

00:01:38:21 - 00:01:41:22
Darren Sutton
you know, in the grand scheme of the engine of ministry, there is no time to dream a dream,
right?
Well, Covid forced us to do that.
I kind of laid out this idea for, basically a variety show, some kind of YouTuber And I said, you know, if we decided to do this, I think we probably need to do a week or two and a big a beta test.
So could we, could we film a show? Yeah, right.
And over the weekend we came up with a whole concept for the for the YouTube show and shot it on Monday.

00:02:04:22 - 00:02:07:23
Sam Vos
Well, I'd only been there for like 3 or 4 weeks, right. Yeah.
Which I'm fine with. So then obviously it
happens. You'd only been there 3 to 4 hours is kind of like, hey, we need somebody to be the guy. And obviously I was like.
the same day we started filming was the same day that they were like, "hey, everybody's got to go home" and

00:02:20:04 - 00:02:31:04
Isaac Sutton
everybody was packed in tightly into a room and they had a like,

Nick Clason
as we're in this like, hey, don't go by people time, like and then cram all these people into a room.

00:02:31:04 - 00:02:33:11
Nick Clason
remember, like, everyone was like on vacation?

00:02:33:11 - 00:02:34:10
Nick Clason
getting married.

00:02:34:13 - 00:02:35:20
Nick Clason
had was took PTO

00:02:35:20 - 00:02:37:06
Nick Clason
I was the new guy.

00:02:37:06 - 00:02:40:02
Nick Clason
Right. You were like the longest tenured person in the room.

00:02:40:02 - 00:02:46:15
Sam Vos
it was probably I probably felt God's hand more in like my career, my life in that moment than a lot of other moments.

00:02:46:15 - 00:02:47:07
Darren Sutton
And that was your first day in the office? Yep. We all came and I was like, hey, Nick, no time to onboard you. We're filming the show

00:02:52:21 - 00:03:00:20
Sam Vos
then on our first day of filming this digital piece of it where there was, worship element in kind of this hosting element and stuff like that, filmed the first episode of unscripted at the church.

00:03:03:12 - 00:03:05:24
Nick Clason
not socially distanced whatsoever

00:03:05:24 - 00:03:07:06
Isaac Sutton
was a choice.

00:03:07:06 - 00:03:09:19
Darren Sutton
and the whole student ministry team got in there. We filmed the show, and at 11:30, we got a message from the, executive pastor saying, bye, everybody. We'll see. You

00:03:18:21 - 00:03:22:20
Sam Vos
that was this the same day we started filming was the same day that they were like, hey, everybody's got to go home and just for two weeks

00:03:25:14 - 00:03:27:21
Darren Sutton
Everybody thought at that point, probably till Easter,

00:03:27:21 - 00:03:35:03
Isaac Sutton
but nobody really knew how crazy it was going to get. Everybody was just in the. It was the rumor phase of Covid.

00:03:35:03 - 00:03:40:08
Nick Clason
but making fun of it. Basically.

Darren Sutton
Yeah. For sure. Like, this is so stupid and and so much so that like, things were changing so quickly that we filmed that thing not socially distant. On Monday by the time it aired on Wednesday, we had to put out a statement that said "this was filmed before socially distancing was a requirement."

00:03:56:03 - 00:03:56:19
Sam Vos
You know, time goes by. Maybe 3 or 4 days. Three people show up to my house with equipment being like cameras, microphones, a table, chairs, Now all this planning vision is starting to happen. Like, we're doing this right now on a zoom call

00:04:10:10 - 00:04:15:14
Darren Sutton
how much we had to pivot in that time is I still just a little bit crazy when I think about it?

00:04:15:14 - 00:04:17:24
Sam Vos
and then my wife and I looked at each other and we go, we don't have we don't have room in this spot.
Right? Because we're live in downtown Chicago in a high rise,

00:04:22:04 - 00:04:25:13
Darren Sutton
700 square foot apartment with his kid and his wife.

00:04:25:13 - 00:04:27:19
Sam Vos
every single week. When we would film, we would have to move the couch out, move that, move the chairs out. Right. We'd have to bring everything kind of stacking on top of each other by the kitchen, do the set, do the show,

00:04:36:09 - 00:04:46:18
Darren Sutton
you know, we were filming group stuff on zoom calls and trying to figure out where is the most appropriate place to set up a studio where only one person can press play.

00:04:46:18 - 00:04:46:23
Sam Vos
And, then put it all back together and send it. So then I'm running over to the camera, right. I'm getting out. I'm looking at the screen. Right. Because I turn the screen around, I'm looking at it. I'm like, okay, it looks good. And I'm running back to the camera, clicking record that I'm running back to the chair and starting.

00:04:59:06 - 00:05:10:00
Isaac Sutton
heart of Covid era for unscripted, which I didn't even like, start working. Working on unscripted until episode like 22. Yeah, something like that. I was kind of, later after some of the kinks had been fleshed out, I guess.

00:05:14:00 - 00:05:23:04
Nick Clason
yes, it went through the completely remote, like everyone from their houses, every bit via a, like cell phone camera. But I remember, Darren sent us all, like, desktop tripods so that we could like via Amazon so that we could have stable, you know, pictures and not like this

00:05:35:08 - 00:05:38:12
Sam Vos
I mean, the hashtag, the world's greatest drink kind of happened out of nowhere, What happened was I was also like, I'm just going to have to just pull everything out that I can think of and hopefully something sticks. It's kind of like when you're just, like throwing everything you can at something. You're like, one of these things works great,

00:05:51:12 - 00:05:57:05
Darren Sutton
So students were tuning in because that was the only connection with humans. They had

00:05:57:05 - 00:05:59:15
Nick Clason
which I think was like the only live anything.

00:05:59:15 - 00:06:05:06
Darren Sutton
Yes. Was gone. Like, yeah, everything was gone. Everything was gone. But we were still having church and we were one of the few. And I will tell you, like, there's a lot I've messed up in my years of youth ministry, but that is one thing that I'm really proud of. Like in the middle of the pandemic, there was not a blank ministry kept going. And that wasn't just me. That was a large team that made that happen. I could have never done that by myself.

00:06:20:19 - 00:06:21:10
Nick Clason
Yeah.

00:06:21:10 - 00:06:26:11
Isaac Sutton
And I remember that being a big part of me joining unscripted was like, we want to we're making this the thing. It went from being the Covid strategy to being, the way they were going to move forward with youth ministry.

00:06:37:03 - 00:06:41:10
Sam Vos
Now I will say in, during Covid and when I was filming at my house, right, there were some there were some moments there too, where I was like, oh, this, this feels like God's doing something. Covid and unscripted allowed us to say, hey, what? Maybe this is what church youth ministry could look like. Maybe it's it could be more progressive thinking. Yeah, sure, sure. I think it also be

00:07:00:16 - 00:07:03:12
Darren Sutton
what I remember most was just innovative thinking,

00:07:03:12 - 00:07:06:01
Sam Vos
I think there needs I think churches need to make a shift. And I felt like unscripted was a vision of what that shift could look like.

00:07:09:19 - 00:07:27:03
Darren Sutton
then it was so successful and also super a lot of fun. And also it became very clear that we had not been speaking the language of our constituency, that it became something that we permanently added to what we do

00:07:27:03 - 00:07:28:12
Isaac Sutton
was a really cool thing to do. It was something that got into people's houses. it was something that engaged students with, students on a level that they were already familiar with. I mean, students know about YouTube, YouTube shows.

00:07:41:02 - 00:07:42:10
Sam Vos
Lacroix is all I got. So I guess hashtag world's greatest drink. I don't even really like Lacroix.

00:07:47:12 - 00:07:51:03
Sam Vos
my favorite drink, Lacroix. I am one of those guys. So, it's just so it's so refreshing every time.

00:07:54:23 - 00:07:59:19
Darren Sutton
But then we started like building that into the nomenclature of what we did. And

00:08:00:07 - 00:08:03:12
Sam Vos
world's greatest people, but this is actually hashtag the world's greatest drink.

00:08:04:00 - 00:08:10:15
Darren Sutton
every semester, we would do a hashtag world's greatest drink bracket, and kids would get to vote on what that season's drink we're going to be like.

00:08:11:01 - 00:08:15:17
Nick Clason
Where when we hit the duck squeak, they had to play duck, duck, goose to it.

00:08:15:17 - 00:08:16:24
Sam Vos
hashtag world's Greatest drink. And then all sudden we would start hiding Lacroix in spots and stuff like that.

00:08:20:17 - 00:08:24:04
Darren Sutton
did an episode on pets, which is why I'm wearing this shirt. and I loved it because kids were so engaged with sending in pictures of their pets, we couldn't be in person yet.

00:08:30:13 - 00:08:33:23
Sam Vos
I think another very absurd thing that we did was that whole duck thing.

00:08:34:24 - 00:08:37:10
Nick Clason
the search for Chuck, the search for Chuck.

00:08:37:10 - 00:08:44:23
Darren Sutton
Chuck, is he in there? He's not here.

00:08:44:23 - 00:08:49:02
Darren Sutton
have a mascot also something that came accidentally. Chuck the duck,

00:08:49:02 - 00:08:53:19
Isaac Sutton
sci fi saga was was a blast. I know that was going so fun. So, Minecraft server was a tragic affair. I spent probably like so long. It's trying to set up a minecraft server for

00:09:09:03 - 00:09:16:15
Darren Sutton
So Chuck got lost or kidnaped or. I don't even remember now what the exact story was, except we just spent all summer looking for him, right?

00:09:16:15 - 00:09:25:22
Isaac Sutton
We if you found the duck and text it into a certain number in a certain amount of time, you would win a prize that coordinated to a theme, because each week was themed

00:09:28:00 - 00:09:40:10
Sam Vos
all sudden Covid happened and it kind of felt like, okay, this is the reason that I'm supposed to be here. so for me, it was a very fulfilling time. Covid was, I would say, where I think for a lot of people it was not that. However, when we got students in there filming and students in there doing audio, I think when these students all sudden like kind of took, you know, they grabbed on to this idea of unscripted and they felt like they owned it and belonged to it. That's the thing that was actually worth everything that we did.

00:09:57:16 - 00:10:02:05
Isaac Sutton
yes, there was a lot of trial and error with unscripted, especially in, in, in all areas of unscripted. There was tons of trial and error. Right. I don't think we ever fully came out of unscripted with like this was the best format and we kept it the whole way through.

00:10:15:07 - 00:10:28:15
Darren Sutton
you know, the interesting thing, which I don't think is actually that interesting, but really kind of blew people away, was how much more open kids were on zoom than they were in person. Yeah, because they're in their room. They're in their natural environment. They may or may not have to be on camera. but there was not the intimidation factor of sitting in a room and wondering what you're thinking about me. There was some kind of invisible protection for them being on camera, which worked pretty well.

00:10:44:07 - 00:11:00:15
Nick Clason
But as we look ahead to this next wave of generation, like we have to find a way to find ourselves online with with Gen Z, definitely with Gen Alpha, like, it's all they know, right? And they, they can shift between in-person and online into that hybrid space back and forth as if it's nothing.

00:11:00:15 - 00:11:06:17
Isaac Sutton
the ones that we filmed in a bunch of different locations, yeah, that was that. They were great. They were so well done. And it was a series over the course of four weeks about the impacts you can make on the world. Yeah.

00:11:21:00
Nick Clason
and we were like on location and like, that was that was so fun. I thought

00:11:23:06 - 00:11:25:06
Darren Sutton
in that I would end up carrying into the future was pre filming talks. And, you know, even when we ended up in a context where that wasn't necessary anymore, it really helps you frame exactly what you want to say the way you want to say it, in a medium that's going to live in perpetuity beyond you.

00:11:45:08 - 00:12:09:10
Isaac Sutton
Yeah. I think the other benefit to this is that whole part of it. Right. was that it democratize like the week, the day that you come from as well like that I was able to serve, like I was able to work as the guy who produced unscripted and made sure everything was running on Wednesdays. And then I could still also volunteer on Thursdays as a small group leader.

00:12:15:06 - 00:12:39:04
Nick Clason
after three years or however many years of us doing it, once restrictions started lifting, once people started coming back in the room and frankly wanting to be back in the room like we needed to find a way to to pivot and adjust. And I still think we did. But again, like I was telling you before we started hitting record was we we started at that point then with the baseline of online. And so then we were like, how much do we sprinkle in in person because of how good online is? We're like a church. Where I'm at now is like, we started with in person. And so now we have to try to like add the hybrid moment, the digital pieces to it to help create that good. Like intersection between both in-person and online.

00:12:58:10 - 00:13:10:14
Sam Vos
relationships start in person and then they can transition to digital. Meaning you live in the same state as me or friends and then you move away. But we still continue being friends,

00:13:10:14 - 00:13:23:02
Isaac Sutton
even if, your hybrid experience doesn't, kick off in the room like you want to, it might reach 1 or 2 people that wouldn't, that you wouldn't have reached otherwise.

00:13:23:02 - 00:13:30:24
Nick Clason
Yeah. And like, now my like, the adaptation, like, we have a fully in-person model, essentially. Right. Yeah. However, I still see the value in the content, the teaching content in particular, like having a home beyond just when it when it's preached. Right. And we don't have the live streaming capabilities, which is why we do the, the pre film. But that can also that, that that anchors our social media strategy.

00:13:52:17 - 00:13:57:02
Darren Sutton
we learned that social media is for interaction, not for advertising. I think that we learned that, digital, what we call in our context, digital integration is not a luxury. It's a necessity. You have to figure it out. Our students are not just digital natives, they're digital dependents. And if we are not harnessed in whatever level of digital medium we can harness, then we're missing. We're missing an opportunity to speak the language of the people that we're working with. so I don't view everything through the lens of how does this translate digitally, but I definitely view our ministry through the lens of where is the digital expression of what we're trying to communicate to, to kids long term. Yeah. So,

00:14:44:10 - 00:14:50:05
Nick Clason
the argument I felt at the time was should we do in-person or should we do online? And I was like, how about both right. And the tension in all of that is both takes resources.

00:15:02:01 - 00:15:17:15
Nick Clason
my learnings right. For the in the room side of things was like it probably needed the show, probably needed a refresh and a rebrand to, distance it from Covid and not make it the Covid thing anymore. because while it was still good, it's still carried all those connotations. And then on the, the YouTube side of things, we just needed to double down on some like titling keyword and research like artistic thumbnail renders

00:15:31:09 - 00:15:32:21
Sam Vos
means that churches exist

00:15:32:21 - 00:15:37:14
Sam Vos
for two groups of people, correct?

00:15:37:14 - 00:15:38:16
Nick Clason
Insiders and outsiders. There we go.

00:15:37:14 - 00:15:38:16
Sam Vos
I wonder if those those things being digital and in-person. Interact with those two groups differently.

00:15:45:18 - 00:16:05:22
Nick Clason
like, it's more accessible than I thought it was to create a digital like moment, like, you know, once we shifted away from the show into a new church and we were here, like, we did an entire, like, six months worth of content off of a cell phone.

00:16:05:24 - 00:16:07:11
Darren Sutton
Yeah, yeah,

00:16:07:11 - 00:16:12:04
Nick Clason
The church exists to change the world. and to be a family and to create a place for people to find meaning and belonging. Okay. I think that there can be entertaining elements within church. I encourage youth pastors and youth ministries to create entertaining elements on their social media. That's why most people get on social media nowadays is to be entertained in some form or fashion.

00:16:32:18 - 00:16:35:20
Darren Sutton
So some kind of message or whatever on the regular? I think it's super important to post regularly, whether you know how to do it or not, you play dumb for a student because there is a student who definitely knows how to do it. investing in that. And I wouldn't know what these are. But this guy well investing in some subscription services or whatnot that can help you do this easier.

00:16:58:13 - 00:17:10:14
Nick Clason
servicing millennials, Gen Z and Gen Alpha, by the way, middle schoolers and on down. And so the church has to figure out how to speak their language because they're the next generation.

00:17:10:14 - 00:17:13:18
Darren Sutton
I subscribe to your TikTok and your YouTube. He didn't pay me for that. I really would, and I am, so you should be too.

Episode 054: What is Hybrid Ministry? A Celebration!!

Nick Clason — Thu, 20 Jul 2023 04:00:00 -0500

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TIMECODES
00:00-02:46 Intro
02:46-06:43 A Brief One-Year History
06:43-10:03 Year One Podcast Stats
10:03-19:27 What is Hybrid Ministry?
19:27-20:41 Outro

TRANSCRIPT
Nick Clason (00:02):
Hey everyone. Welcome back to another episode of the Hybrid Ministry Show. I am your host, as always, Nick Clason sipping my coffee in my office today out of my, uh, church branded Yeti. I will say this, though, not a big Yeti fan as a coffee connoisseur because the metallic taste of it overrides the notes of coffee. So honestly, I would prefer just drinking out of like one of these types of mugs. So you're not on YouTube, you're not seeing all this. You are missing out big time, not probably really, but we are gonna take a little bit of a break. The last two episodes were, uh, video editing episodes. The, the episode after this one will be a Photoshop specific episode. But the reason that we're taking a little break is because our pilot episode on July 19th, um, and our episode one on July 21st was exactly one year ago from the day that this episode drops, which is July 20th.

Nick Clason (01:04):
So in this episode, we are just going to do, uh, talk about what is hybrid ministry like, the whole basis, the whole, like per the whole name of this podcast is named Hybrid ministry. What is it? Where did it come from? Why do we start this podcast? Do a little year in review, sort of deal. So that's what's on the docket for today. Hey, listen, if you are new here or if you are just finding us out, wanna let you know in the show notes. You can find links to YouTube, links to our website, hybrid ministry.xyz. Uh, this will be episode 55. Every single episode will have a link to our episode page, which has a full transcript. That's something that we provide for you all for a hundred percent free. So go check that out. Also, just follow us on social. We're on Instagram, we're on YouTube, and we are on TikTok.

Nick Clason (01:48):
All the links to those in the show notes, because some of those are my personal account at Clay and Nick. Others of those are ministry based accounts, a hybrid ministry. It's one of those too as an option, but your show notes will have everything that you need. In addition to that, we have a couple freebies right now. We have our free ebook, um, helping you download and get TikTok going completely from scratch. And then we also have free Adobe, uh, pro, uh, transitions that you can use to animate text, to animate videos, um, bounce in like your typical YouTube thing. So go grab those in the show notes and we would love it if you would give us a rating or review or subscribe or a, like, all those things help us get found in search so that more people can learn and know about the difference and the ministry that hybrid is going to make in their world and in their ministry.

Nick Clason (02:39):
So, without any further ado, let's jump in to the one year celebration episode. Glad to have y'all here. So, like I said, today is the day that this episode drops is July 20th. July 20th is the one year anniversary. You know, when I started this podcast, I had a cohost, his name is Matt, um, and Matt is, uh, one of the smartest marketing brains I've ever met. He used to work for, dare to Share if you're in the ministry world, you've probably heard that before. Uh, they're youth ministry, evangelism centric organization. Then he came to work at the same church that I was working at in Chicago land area. And when we were both working in Chicago land, we started this podcast together. Both of us within the first probably like 10 episodes, um, transitioned to different roles for, for different reasons. And one reason or another, um, I ended up here in dfw, Dallas, Fort Worth, Texas area.

Nick Clason (03:30):
Matt went back out to Colorado, which is home, um, working for a non-church non ministry organization. And because of that, his his ability to record podcasts fell by the wayside. And I became a one man band. And I remember I was moving here, moving to Dallas on the road somewhere in Nowheresville, Oklahoma. And I turned on Colin Cowherd cause I was like, that dude can talk for three hours by himself. And I found that the hardest thing to do. My first episode I recorded it was like 14 minutes. And I was like, how in the world am I gonna do a podcast by myself? Like, this is gonna be mentally exhausting and in a way it is. Don't get me wrong. Um, so that's why I I recruited a co-host to start cuz it's a lot easier to just have a conversation and talk. That being said, I started listening to Colin Coward cuz I saw the writing a little bit on the wall, and I was like, how is he doing this?

Nick Clason (04:24):
What are his kind of tips and tactics? So I tried to lean in and learn some of those things so that if my co-host fell by the wayside, I would still be able to give y'all a podcast. And, uh, I think around episode 11 or 12, I started doing them by myself. And then, um, I would still reference Matt as, you know, a like member of the podcast, but eventually I just stopped and it just became this, the Solo Nick Clason show. So here you go. If you're, if you're new and you want to go back to some of those early episodes, you will hear another voice that is my good friend Matt Johnson. Still great friends, just, you know, he doesn't have time to to record. He's a new dad, new life out in Colorado, just like we're building a new life here in Dallas, Texas area.

Nick Clason (05:08):
And so, um, and I never missed a week, um, from when I started until now. We've had a lot of life happen. We moved, um, my wife's mom passed away, my mother-in-law. Um, we went back, you know, had to drive a thousand miles back overnight to get there. Um, when that happened, it wasn't, um, emergent, but it also wasn't totally on the radar when we moved here. One of the reasons we moved here was hoping that she could come live with us, um, you know, fighting her cancer diagnosis. Um, but some things progressed faster than we anticipated. And, and all that happened and I started a new job and I'm getting to know a new church and I'm getting, you know, my kids enrolled in a new school. So a lot of new for us. Um, but thank you for being along on the ride with me because in my new role, I am focusing a lot on digital integration and hybrid ministry.

Nick Clason (06:00):
And this podcast is a cathartic outlet for me to talk about what I'm doing. In a lot of episodes, I've told you, here's what I'm doing right now, here's how it's going, and here's the adjustments that I'm making. And while I would be doing those things internally in my head, forcing myself to sit down and explain it to an audience has just been so helpful. And so thank y'all for being along the ride with me. Like I, I've told you before, I always want this to be a place where I can just be open and honest. So that is a little bit of just kinda like the brief one year history of where we are. Um, and in, in an attempt to continue to look back just a little bit, I want to give you guys a couple of recap type stats. So let's dive into this.

Nick Clason (06:44):
All right. So to recap, um, back in December, December was our best downloaded month to date. But then January beat December and then February, beat January and then March, beat February. So they just kept kind of building on itself and then may came and may beat all of those. April took a little bit of a, uh, backseat, um, or I'm sorry, may took a little bit of a backseat to April. Um, April was still the highest. So it, it was like a stair-stepping in December, January, February, March, April, may took a little dip. And then now, uh, I'm recording this in June. Um, it will drop in July and so, um, July might be completely different, but June has far surpassed every month we've ever even had. So to those of y'all who are new, those of y'all who are downloading us on a regular basis, welcome, glad to have you, glad to see you.

Nick Clason (07:35):
It's exciting to be along on the journey. Um, glad to have you with us. The highest downloaded episode ever in the history of this podcast is episode 31. I'll drop a link to that in the show notes if you wanna go back and listen to it. But we are gonna do just a little bit of a recap of that here in this episode. The episode's titled, why Should Churches Even Care About Digital Ministry in 20, I think I probably recorded it in 2023 or 2022, I should say. So I probably said, why should churches care about digital ministry in 2022? Um, consequently, and I don't think that this has any correlation, but consequently, that was also our very first episode that we started posting full, um, video episodes on YouTube as well. So you can go check out my very first YouTube video if you wanna laugh and see how bad it is, I think, and hope we've gotten better.

Nick Clason (08:23):
But, um, you know, no promises. I'm not like a professional YouTube editor. Uh, I'm a youth pastor, so I'm doing this all in the margins, all in my spare time. And so, um, there could be more on the horizon, you know? Um, but right now it's just kinda, uh, slugging it out. That does not count. However, our very first episode on YouTube, which was the, have I already ruined my church's TikTok account. It's a video and podcast joint episode that I posted, uh, where we, we released the free ebook, um, with a link to that and the show notes. And so, um, that was literally walking through step-by-step nerding out on how to post a video on your cell phone using the TikTok TikTok app. Now, I will give a caveat and a disclaimer. I'll drop the episode link to that as well in the show notes, but I wanna let you know that I posted that in December.

Nick Clason (09:12):
And so just like any sort of tech things have changed. And so it may not even be a hundred percent relevant. The the overall premise is right, like a lot of TikTok is the same, but there are still some things that have shifted and even personally some strategy things on my end that have shifted as well. So think you all for being along on the journey. Those are, um, just some kind of recaps. This is our, like I said, our one year anniversary episode. But without any further ado, this is really what I want to get into is I wanna like bring everyone, y'all on the audience level back to the roots of why we do what we do and what this is what, where this all started from. So without any further ado, let's answer this question. What is hybrid ministry? Okay, what is high ministry?

Nick Clason (10:06):
So back in July last year when we launched podcasts, this idea had been rolling around in my brain for a couple months and, um, I was kicking around ideas of names. The name I settled on was hybrid. I also liked integration. Um, but, but hybrid was really like the one that I thought was really cool. Well, lo and behold, after I decided that name, Barna released an ebook about the future of the hybrid church. And so almost at the same time I launched a podcast or at least started recording bef before I had a few episodes kind of in the hopper before we ever went fully live. Um, and then Barna also released their ebook 40 or some, some, I can't remember. I'll drop the link to the Barna ebook in, in the show notes. It's behind a paywall, but it's worth it. It's a, it's a little over a year old now at this point, but I still go back to and pull a lot of data from it cuz what they're asking, coming out of the heels of C O V I D, they're asking what do millennials and Gen Z, what are they looking for in church?

Nick Clason (11:10):
Uh, another thing I've done in the last year is I went through a Gen Z Barna CoLab thing. Um, it was a six session zoom thing where they shared some findings about Gen Z, which they are the future generation of our church and our church ministry. And so it's important, I think to, to inspect what these generations are saying. And so, um, 9%, only 9% of churched Christians back when this, um, hybrid ebook dropped 9% of church Christians, um, wanted a solely digital church option. Okay? And so I think my question, and I remember I had Matt on here, was like, well, well then why are we even exploring this as digital ministry? Aren't we on the other side of covid? Shouldn't we go back to what we remember and how things were? The difference was one third of them expressed that some sort of, um, hybrid option would suit them well, and that was only in those that they pulled and that was only in those old enough to be pulled.

Nick Clason (12:19):
So 18 and older at the time. All right, meanwhile, millennials and Gen Z, if you take out just that kind of sub subset of of age demographic, take out some of the older church attenders that were also pulled in this ebook. Millennials and Gen Z are ju this is, this one was the one that got me and this is the one that like really thrust me into starting this podcast. Millennials and Gen Z are just as likely to choose a hybrid option as they are a physical option at 40% for millennials and 42% for Generation Z. So they are just as likely just as interested in a hybrid option as they are in a physical option. And I hear you on the other end, but wait, it's not the same. We all saw it in Covid and yes, that's true. And this was one of the conversations that me and Matt had way early on, and it's that this churches in Covid tried to replicate an in-person experience and a digital option.

Nick Clason (13:16):
And a physical option should be two uniquely different experiences. I hear you again, but wait, I don't have time to produce that and I get that it's challenging for sure. I'm on a student ministry staff of three, soon to be four. We're about to have a year long resident who I've worked with before. So we have a little bit of a history, know what he can bring to the table. All that to be said, I dedicate, I don't know, probably 75% or more of my job responsibilities to digital integration and hybrid ministry. There's more that I wish and want to be able to do, but I, I also don't have the time crunch. But what I say is on your staffing level and on your staffing side, it's really important to make sure that you give someone proper allocation of funds and time, ability to, uh, to go this direction because the, the younger that generations are, the more that this is going to be necessary.

Nick Clason (14:14):
And we're not trying to replace the physical. That's my whole point. That's where the word hybrid comes from. We're not trying to replace the physical, we're trying to integrate digital with physical, right? One of my favorite examples of it in our student ministry is we'll do these like two or three times a year. We'll do these, uh, brackets where we pit two things against each other and, and they vote and the winner goes on to the next round and they face off against the winner of another matchup. And so we'll come up with kind of these like arbitrary seatings or whatever. Um, I'll drop a couple links in the show notes cuz I've done a few of these and I've posted 'em on like download youth ministry, so you can grab it. We've got like world's greatest or um, uh, big game day bracket food challenge.

Nick Clason (14:55):
So you're picking like the food that you're gonna have at like your Super Bowl party. But that's a great example of a hybrid option because all of the voting takes place online on a website or, or in our case, a lot of times on Instagram, but in person it's also like playing it itself out. So this last year we did serial madness in March, and so we pitted serial matchups against each other. And so we had all the, the matchups up on a big, uh, window that we have with like a bracket taped out. And then we cut out the front of the serial boxes and po uh, pasted like a seed number on each of them. And then as they would win online, we'd move them into our space. So the students would walk in, they'd see the results, but then on Wednesday nights we have these garage door, uh, like bay type things.

Nick Clason (15:42):
And so we have eight different bays. And so that's eight different matchups for a round of 16. And the base came up and every individual matchup, uh, of cereal was in the base. So they could go in, they could grab the one seed versus 16 seed, put a little milk in it and eat it. That's an example of taking a digital expression, a digital like moment and means of something and bringing it in to make it hybrid with your in-person. Okay, back in the first episode, we talked about digital openness. And so I just wanna rattle off for you some of these, um, findings from, from the first book. So church adults defined as having high digital openness. Number one, they see the value of attending at least an online service. Number two, they think that churches should use digital resources for spiritual formation slash discipleship purposes.

Nick Clason (16:33):
Post pandemic, they think that churches, uh, should use digital resources for gathering their people to together after the pandemic. They say that either hybrids, so both digital and physical or primarily digital gatherings for church will best fit their lifestyle after the pandemic. And number five, they're open to attending new kinds of online gatherings that are unfamiliar. What are mold breaking? So these are people that are classified as digitally open. Furthermore, of these options, these were the options that they said would, um, suit them in a hybrid sort of format. So teaching and preaching one-on-one prayer, small groups, worship, prayer, visitation, confession, children's ministry, youth ministry, adult ministry. Those were, um, highest percentage down to lowest percentage in a cascading list. The thing that was the number one thing was teaching and preaching. So here's the thing, churches have gathered together to preach and hear the word, and that's, that's valuable and scriptural.

Nick Clason (17:34):
That being said, um, I, I can learn just as well. Um, whether I'm sitting my butt in a, a seat looking ahead, listening to a pastor as I can, listening to him on the podcast, what can't be reproduced, what can't be replicated in my own experience is praise and worship. Which again, I think that there may be a moment for, uh, figuring out how this works for the next generation in a non, uh, like physical environment. Not replacing it, but supplementing it. But the thing that can't be replaced for me is community one-on-one relationships, like authentic community with other believers. And some of those things can be done digitally. Zoom groups. We all saw that it leaves something to be desired. I agree if that's what you're saying to me on the other side of this camera. However, all that to be said, like the, the teaching pieces can be something that we can offer to people.

Nick Clason (18:27):
It's the number one, it was the number one rated thing for hybrid options, the delivery of content. CS Lewis has a quote that says, this says theology is all the more important today because there are so many messages being delivered to the home that you need to determine what is actually true. So you can go into one of these mediums and you can present the word, you can give theology, you can teach people theology in podcast form, YouTube videos, short form videos. Lewis made this quote in the 1950s and it rings all the more true today. That's the crazy thing, right? Is like what he said back in the fifties still brings true almost 80 years later. So because there's so many messages coming into the home, we need to help teach people what the Bible says. So I say all that to say, and I give you all of that as just a reminder that this is why this matters.

Nick Clason (19:22):
Hybrid ministry matters as an option for churches moving forward. And so, um, I just wanted to give a quick reminder. I just wanted to share it with y'all about, um, why we do what we do, where this whole thing comes from and what the purpose of it all is. Thanks for hanging out. Excited to have you with us. Don't forget link in the show notes. If you want to, uh, go follow us on YouTube. If you want to grab either of those freebies, uh, downloads, we're gonna be starting here in this next year. We're gonna be starting, um, getting our email newsletter going. And so subscribe in and grabbing the ebook or the, um, free transitions for Adobe Premiere Pro. Either one of those will lock you into our email newsletter. We're gonna start sending some stuff out occasionally. And so one, make sure that you don't miss that. Hey, if you subscribe to this, you will get this automatically downloaded into your podcast catcher every single Thursday morning at 4:00 AM So if you're in ministry and you have a Wednesday night deal, you wake up, you get to hear this the next morning after your ministry night. Hopefully it's just a, a positive encouraging, maybe even sometimes challenging refresher for you. Uh, so we would welcome that and love to have you join us in that way. But don't forget, and as always, stay hybrid.

Episode 052: What the NBA can teach us about Generation Alpha and the Future for Churches

Nick Clason — Thu, 06 Jul 2023 04:00:00 -0500

What the NBA can teach us about Generation Alpha and the Future for Churches.
Coach Tibbs, from the New York Knicks is widely considered the least favorable coach to play for, amongst NBA Players. Why is that? And what can we learn from his style? And how do the idea of "Player Coaches" change how we view interacting with Generation Alpha moving forward?

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SHOWNOTES
NBA Article:
https://sportsnaut.com/tom-thibodeau-coach-players-least-like-to-play-for/amp/
6 Things We can Learn:
https://joinhandshake.com/blog/employers/6-things-gen-z-wants-from-their-job/
Gen Z Coping Mechanisms:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ra73jZJKw-dxIXxkZZfY-9RF5V0TH4RF/view?usp=sharing
Honesty as a Faith Value:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WaZbfMyIZUCUPYIx4joBkMvC2-hoJ-Ez/view?usp=sharing
Justice Motivated Generation:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wYwsRP3-p5_gExKS0g3L6UDOFhL4H149/view?usp=sharing

TIMECODES
00:00-03:07 Intro
03:07-10:33 Nobody Wants to Play for Tom Thibodeau, why?
10:33-20:26 6 Things we can learn from the Next Generation
20:26-28:25 3 Learnings for us as the Church
28:25- Outro

TRANSCRIPT
Nick Clason (00:02):
Well, hey everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the Hybrid Ministry podcast. My name is Nick Clason, sipping coffee with you on this beautiful Monday morning.

Nick Clason (00:17):
And if you're just listening to this, you're missing out cuz you didn't get to see me drink out of my beautiful Ohio mug, which I would, uh, widely consider to be my home state. Anyway, in this episode, I am excited to, uh, talk to you about a, a really weird kind of topic a little bit, uh, but I'm gonna talk to you about my learnings from NBA head coaches and the shift that is happening with the next generation. And so what I mean by that is we are going to dive in a little bit. There was a recent study that came out, um, from the Athletic, uh, I'm a big basketball fan, you guys probably know that about me. Um, there's a big study that came out about the worst coach, the, the coach that the players would least want to play for. And that was fascinating to me because what that signified was that is that coach was a very old school coach.

Nick Clason (01:09):
What that signified to me was that this means that there is a shifting in the way that people are, are having things be done, and there's a shifting in the way that people want things, frankly, to be done. And so because of that, uh, I wanted to inspect that just a little bit. It's like, what is going on there? So that's what we're gonna be diving into and talking about. But before we do, I just wanna remind you that you can follow me over on YouTube. We have a full YouTube channel with I post daily shorts as well as a weekly podcast, full length video. Um, it's complete with overlays and statistics. And more and more we're diving into statistics and things like that. And so if you hear something of, what was that again, it will more than likely be over on YouTube. Uh, and on that section of the video also, it could, um, if it's not there, it definitely will be over at Hybrid Ministry xyz.

Nick Clason (02:01):
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Nick Clason (02:56):
But without any further ado, let's dive into what I have learned from NBA head coaches about the upcoming shifting and new generation that's upon us. So what have we learned from the NBA and their head coaches? Like I said, big basketball fan basketball nut over here. And so there was a recent survey done. It was a player survey. They surveyed, um, as many players as they could, I think something like 500 players. Um, and they asked was the coach that you would mo least like to play for and the overwhelming winner. And in that response was, um, Tom Tebeau of the New York Knicks. And so if you're not a basketball person, lemme try to paint the picture for Tibs. He's sort of this rough and tumble like old school kind of player. Um, uh, a good example of this, like a reason why is there is a guy drafted a couple years ago.

Nick Clason (03:50):
I'm a I'm, I'm personally have an affinity for him because he's from the University of Dayton, which again, I would, I would widely consider Dayton, Ohio, Cincinnati, Ohio, that sort of like southwest Ohio region, my hometown. I lived there for, uh, more than half of my life, my wife born and raised there. And so that also helped kind of tie my roots back to there. Anyway, Obi Toppin was a player who played for the University of Dayton. He was drafted to the New York Knicks and Tom Tido or, uh, nicknamed Tibs doesn't play rookies. Like he just doesn't. And so what's funny is Tido had really big and good success, uh, over in Chicago. Uh, you might remember Derek Rose, he was an mvp. Uh, rose played for tdo. Well, a couple years back when they drafted Obie Toin, he had Rose who's like the ghost of himself cuz he's had like multiple knee surgeries.

Nick Clason (04:40):
Uh, and Taj Gibson, who's like just this older mid thirties player and those guys are getting all of the playing time. Tdo often plays his players, uh, upwards of 40 something minutes and there's only 48 minutes available in a basketball game. And so he really just like locks in on his, the players that he likes and drives them hard into the ground and they just play a lot. Now you might be thinking like if you want playing time, isn't tid the guy? And yeah, that may be the case, but in recent years, N B A players have taken on more of a, uh, slower approach and a little bit more of like a self-care type approach. Kawhi Leonard has made this famous, he, uh, was traded away from the Spurs because he, he wasn't recovering fast enough because he needed more time to help heal his body.

Nick Clason (05:29):
In fact, Kawhi Leonard, uh, does these things where he, uh, and it is made famous by him, but now a lot of players do it. It's called load management. And so if there's like a back to back game where like they play one night and they also play the next night, he won't play the next night, um, just to preserve and take care of his body to make sure that one, he's fresh for himself, but two, that he's fresh for the playoffs. See, with Tom Tipo, almost all that stuff is out the door. And in the, in the nineties the nba, there was sort of this mentality, this like bad boys' mentality. Like you, you gotta like get in there, be rough and tumble. Uh, they, they refereed the game very differently. You could be a lot more aggressive and dramatic with your contact and the way that you played.

Nick Clason (06:14):
And I just, I say all that to say is that Tom Thibodaux will be a great coach, I think in that era, the Bad Boys era of 1990s basketball with the Detroit Piston and Joe Dumars and Isaiah Thomas and Bill Lamb beer and Dennis Rodman of the Chicago Bulls. But it's 2023 now and the game has changed and it's a much more fluid offensive game. I mean, if you're, again, if you're a basketball person, hang with me if you're not. Cuz we're gonna get to some of the implications of this cuz this is the only like real basketball section right here. But like the, the New Age Warriors, they have completely changed the game. And they don't even run with a traditional center like Draymond Green, who's only like six foot eight, six foot nine. Draymond Green is running their, uh, center position, their tallest player on the floor, and they have five guys out who can all shoot.

Nick Clason (07:00):
You got like Clay Thompson and Steph Curry and Andrew Wiggins and Jordan Poole and all these guys with Draymond in the middle, the only guy who really can't shoot, but he's short and he's helping facilitate and kicking the ball all to all these places and it's much more fluid. And what's interesting is that you got their coach, Steve Kerr, who came in and completely reinvented and, and brought the game to the way that the players wanted it to be. Now if you're sitting here listening and you're a church leader, you're a pastor or you're a business owner, you're thinking, well that generation, like they need this next generation. They need to chill out. They need to stop being so, uh, soft and needing things their way. And here's the the thing I would just say to you like, yes, maybe that is true if they come to work for you and your business, but what do we see?

Nick Clason (07:47):
What, like look around post covid, look at every like donut shop, every drive through every burger place. Like people are not coming back to work. Why? It's not because they don't want to. It's not actually, it probably is because they don't want to, right? But it's not cuz they don't wanna work, they just don't wanna work there. They don't wanna work for you. They want to work for themselves and make money. I recently heard a podcast of this, a 19 year old kid who's out on TikTok making millions and billions of dollars and thousands and thousands of followers, and he will probably never go flip a burger over at Burger King. And so while we can be like those kids, they need to learn this, this, and this, they're not learning that in a traditional workplace. They're out there hacking it for themselves. And so here's the thing, if you are a church leader specifically, or a business owner, you have this generation who's out here kind of paving their own way, hacking it for themselves.

Nick Clason (08:48):
If you want that generation a part of your organization, you can't be like the nba, uh, or you can't be like Tom Tito of the nba where you just keep doing it your own way because that's the way you've always done it, right? In fact, you need to shift your thinking to start figuring out how you can accommodate that generation. Not because the church is about serving and self, self-serving and and selfishness and all, not, it's not about those things, I get it. But if you are a follower of Jesus, you have a mandate to reach every generation with the message and the gospel of Jesus Christ. And that includes generation Z. And by the way, soon to be generation alpha, who is already starting to graduate into our youth ministry next Sunday, we promote our fifth graders into our sixth grade and fifth grade is not considered Generation Z.

Nick Clason (09:42):
They're considered generation alpha. So what that means is our, our current youth ministry and current college and young adult ministry that is Gen Z. So pastor, if you're still trying to figure out how to reach millennials, I'm a millennial. I'm mid thirties. Like they're already the majority of our workforce. They are our current parents of younger kids. You need to start figuring out if you wanna reach younger generations. It has shifted. And Gen Z has a very different mindset than a millennial. It can be similar in some ways, but it is different. And so what can we learn? What has the NBA shown us? So I, I came across an article about six things that Generation Z is looking for in their next workplace. So let's power through those different six things and take a look at what we can learn from them.

Nick Clason (10:34):
All right? So this is article, it's from Handshake blog. I'll throw the link in the show notes. I thought it was interesting. I'm gonna give them the credit for all of this cuz they did all the work on it. But I just wanted to provide a little bit of commentary cuz we're not a workplace like employment podcast, we're a ministry podcast. So I, I would say if you're a pastor or church leader listening to this, there are two ways to kind of think about this way. Number one is think about this from the generations of people that are a part of your ministry. But way number two is think about this from the people that you employ at your church. If you want to grow younger and have younger people, younger congregation and younger staff specifically, and particularly younger staff, I want to encourage you to think about it this way.

Nick Clason (11:18):
So number one, generations Z is looking for compensation that affords work life balance. 70% of Gen Z survey respondents say that pay and or compensation is the most important factor again, right? Let's look back to our NBA analogy. Kawhi Leonard doesn't wanna play all 82 regular season games. He wants to play in the playoffs. No, granted, he doesn't even play in the playoffs anymore. If you're not a basketball person, you don't get that reference, but that's another conversation for another day. But the reality is Gen Z is looking for a better work-life balance. They've looked at their older millennials, gen X parents, grandparents, whoever working in the workforce, and they don't wanna work that 40 hour a week grind. If you spend any amount of time on social media or TikTok, you see people saying like, make six figures in like five hours a day of work.

Nick Clason (12:09):
Like that is the major hook out there because that's what people want. Is it realistic? I don't know. I think a lot of those things probably require a lot of work and at least a lot of like hustle on the front end. But the reality is they're looking for something that will help serve them to live a more full life. Not because they're lazy, not because they don't wanna work, but because they realize that it's not all about work. The other thing, the second thing is that they want clarity into career paths and internal mobility options. 71% of respondents expect to be promoted between six months to a year and a half. 64% attend career events to ensure that there are growth and development opportunities. What does this mean for a church? Well first of all, if you're employing them at a church, they wanna look around and see if there's ways to move up.

Nick Clason (12:56):
What do most churches do? Most churches don't have ways to move up. In fact, one of the times I left one of my jobs is I was, me and the senior pastor, we were the only two full-time pastors on staff. And I looked around and I said, there is no way that I'll ever get a chance to move up here. Like it. We have to hire like an adult discipleship pastor. We'll have to hire, um, an executive pastor. We'll have to hire, um, a college ministry, uh, pastor or associate. Like, I will not get a chance to move up until we make several other hires. And, and at the trajectory at that point, I had been working there for five years. I was like, that is not going to happen anytime soon. And the same, I would say is gonna be true of generation Z in working for your church, but also attending your church.

Nick Clason (13:43):
How, where can they insert themselves into leadership? If leadership is only reserved for old people, old, like of a certain ethnicity, people maybe like look around at your leadership board. What is the youngest elder that you have? The, there's a stat out there. I don't know where it's from so I can't credit it, but, um, I think it might be from like some church growth type stuff. They say that a church congregation generally is within 10 years on either side of the senior pastor's age. So if you have a 55 year old senior pastor, you are most well-positioned to reach 45 to 65 year olds. Think about that. Now, how are you gonna reach a 25 year old? Well, that's a youth pastor's job. Not really. A youth pastor's job is to help serve the kids of the 45 to 65 year olds that are being brought to the church in most cases.

Nick Clason (14:37):
And that's, you know, 11 to 18 year olds, not 25 year olds. Well, we'll make him be in charge of college ministry too. A that's a gigantic job. I'll tell you that as a youth pastor. But b uh, oftentimes I heard this analogy one time. Um, my, my, a friend of mine, he worked for GE and he said that GE used to be in the dishwasher business and they gave cheap, crappy dishwashers to, uh, apartment complexes. Like they struck a deal and they just, they, they served the majority of apartment complexes and they were GE dishwashers and they sucked. He said, and he said they always broke. And he said because of that, because most people would start out in their first apartment with a crappy GE dishwasher, they all had a bad taste of GE because all their dishwashers broke. And he said, is that what's going on in college ministry?

Nick Clason (15:27):
They get the bottom of the barrel, the lowest rung they don't often get, um, like their own minister or like paid full-time staff person or anything like that. And if they do get a paid person, it's like a very, very part-time person who's basically a glorified small group leader. Is that why young people are leaving the church in droves because they're getting the lowest wrong bottom of the barrel? And why do they get that? Probably because they're the least, uh, generous in contributions in giving. And so, I hate to say this, but if churches are looking like an ROI thing, like the lowest ROI from like financial gifts is coming from the young adult ministry. That being said, they're the future of your church. So if you don't find a way to invest in them, they're not gonna be there in the years to come when the 45 to 65 to 75 to 85 year olds are no longer living in your church and, and giving in your church.

Nick Clason (16:18):
So how are you gonna reach and help pro promote and provide inroads for that generation to promote up into leadership? The third thing is they're looking for a modernized approach to benefits with an emphasis on flexibility and mental health. This goes with what we've been talking about a little bit before. 73% of survey respondents said that benefits is the number one reason why they would stick with an employer. Healthcare is the most important benefit of that. Um, according to 76% of the respondents and 73% said that they are looking for a flexible schedule. I would say that that flexible schedule piece, that's where this hybrid idea comes from, right? Like one of the main things about this hybrid kind of ministry in-person and digital is flexibility. Can we provide flexibility in how people can grow in their faith? Number four, they're looking for community culture and collaboration, even in remote settings.

Nick Clason (17:15):
Strong peer relationship. 63% say, um, feeling a part of the organization and 57% are key early reasons why early talent would choose to stay with an employer. Does your, does your church offer younger generations? Community culture and collaboration? If you're set up, like most churches, you offer a program, Hey, we got the young adult college ministry, it meets on Sunday morning during the second service. So that there it is, right? And does that community actually act like a community? Those are the questions I think that we as church leaders should be asking ourselves. Number five, um, committing publicly to diversity, equity, inclusion and belonging. 55% of respondents say that a commitment to D E I B um, is extremely important when evaluating an employer. They're looking for diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging. That's really valuable to Generation Z. So again, I'll say, look at your board.

Nick Clason (18:20):
Go to your staff page. Is there diversity, diversity? Is there equity? Is there inclusion? Is their belonging shown there? If not, they're going to be looking for a church staff or church leadership that embraces those values. And then finally, number six, accountability. Actually, lemme go back before I say that. Uh, I had a, uh, an intern a couple years ago at church and diversity was really important to him. And we tried really, really hard to hire this kid. He was a, he was a stud man, he was a rockstar. And, um, he his like number one or number two, knock on knock, wanting to come to our church. Uh, one, he was from la we were in Chicago. So like, that was a big one. But the number one a or maybe even more than that, but he wouldn't say it or I mean, he, he was honest with us.

Nick Clason (19:09):
But, uh, the other thing he was like, just basically saying was like, there is no diversity here. Um, and he was like, and I don't mean diversity with door greeters and people on the platform, I mean diversity in leadership. And I mean, it was a profound statement and one that honestly, I don't even know that that trickled up to upper level leadership. Like I don't know if that, that that phrase ever got there, but the reality of it is like, that's what he was looking for and he didn't see it and he didn't see a path forward to it. And we lost out on an amazing, talented, you know, kid. So that's just another example. All right, number six, accountability on the environment, sustainability and social responsibility. 70% of generations, these survey respondents, they attend career events to ensure the role and responsibilities aligned with their interests and values.

Nick Clason (20:01):
51% attend to ensure that the company aligns with their interests and values. So these are the things that matter to them and these are the things that they're looking for, yes, in workplaces. So if they wanna work at your church, but also in organizations that they're gonna choose to attach themselves to. So with that being said, I have three kind of takeaways, three learnings I think that are important for us as a church to understand and to explore. Let's dive in. Learning. Number one, 51% of generations, these say that their ultimate goal in life is happiness. Now, before you're like, that's not what a Christian's goal should be, I agree with you. Uh, I agree that a Christian's goal should be love and joy and peace, patience, and the fruits of the spirit. But if our target audience is saying that over half of them are looking for happiness, how are we going to help facilitate some of that for them?

Nick Clason (20:55):
Listen to some of these things too. A lot of this is, uh, from survey from Barna, um, of people, generation Z and some of their coping mechanisms. Okay? So just think about this in light of your church, and I'm not, I'm not giving commentary or creating like a, a roadmap or a like thing that you should do as a result of this. This is more just interesting coping mechanisms, the way that Generation Z is choosing to spend their time. So, um, the most common coping mechanisms are connected with non-family members at 45% connected with family 20%, and with music at 18%. So here are some of their quotes, TikTok, they're people feeling the same way as me, the ma, and that makes me feel less lonely. Um, another one, I will disappear into a world of my own, whether one I make myself or one that has already been created already, like books, shows or games doing one of my hobbies such as writing or violin, a good beat and a song I find solace in social media.

Nick Clason (22:01):
I like to be alone sometimes because it's peaceful and it's zen to me. I like to have conversations with the important people in my life by opening up to them, I receive positive affirmation, validation that I am not alone. I like to do comforting activities, reading fantasy books. I like to imagine myself as the main character because they're usually the ones with the perfect life. Sitting down to a single player game with a good story, looking in the mirror and saying, affirmations, getting on my bike and going for a ride. I like to send memes to my friends and then we will discuss them sleeping until the loneliness goes away. I watch videos of concerts on my phones playing with my many pets. They are my world. Those are some of the most common coping mechanisms out of generation Z. And I just wonder if we read those as older church leaders and think those sound ridiculous, maybe. But how are we showing up in some of these ways for our younger attenders that we're looking to reach and have be a part of our church?

Nick Clason (23:13):
Uh, idea number two that I think we as church should be, uh, at least aware of is honesty is one of the most important things as it pertains to generation Z, especially teenagers, but generation Z as a whole. I mean, we saw that right in that handshake art they want not only good pay, but they want transparency in pay. Like that is what's most important. So in a recent Barna study, um, these five categories we're given to, to Gen Z and to teenagers about what's important, what what, um, traits are important as it pertains to belief. And those were being correct, being knowledgeable, being open to new ideas, being curious, and being honest. The number one far and away, um, area that was most important was being honest. So we have, uh, broken down different categories, all of Gen Z teenagers and young adults. So I'm gonna read to you the, the statistics of each of those from those three categories.

Nick Clason (24:19):
So in being correct, only 8% of all of Gen Z cared about it. 6% of teens cared about it, and 9% of young adults cared about it being knowledgeable. 21% of the entire scope of Gen Z cared about it. 16% of teens cared about it, and 24% of young adults cared about it being open to new ideas. 28% of Gen Z cared about it. 29% of teenagers cared about it, and 28% of young adults cared about it being curious. 11% of Gen Z cared about it. 7% of teenagers cared about it, and 13% of young adults cared about it. But being honest, 32% of Gen Z cared about it. 41% of teenagers cared about it, and 25% of young adults cared about being honest. Honesty with one's belief is of utmost importance to Gen Z and specifically and especially to teenagers. So how can we create an environment in our organizations, in our churches that are more open and more honest?

Nick Clason (25:14):
The final area that I think that matters for churches is that churches, uh, or, um, gen Z young adults, they care about justice, they care about equality, they care about diversity. So some of the top ways that churches can address injustice, this is what, um, justice motivated, justice oriented and justice neutral generation Z um, categorizes said, all right, so they said that, uh, encouraging people to address injustice, 31% of justice motivated 28% of justice oriented and 18% of justice neutral said that the number one way that people could, um, address this was to simply walk into it, right? Go towards the injustice, the top ways that the church can do it. Other, other, like options that were given to them in the survey were by advocating for meaningful change, by welcoming people into a local church, by creating relationships with people who are experiencing injustice.

Nick Clason (26:17):
And by teaching that the Bible encourages special kindness to people who are experiencing injustice. So again, of those last four, the one that was most highly selected was simply by addressing it. So church leaders, church social media people, youth pastors, whoever's listening to this, the generation that's not a part of your church is mostly looking for you to address areas of injustice. I know that it's a difficult area to wade into. I know that it's polarizing. I know that it can get political and you can tick off some of the 65 year old members who sit all day and watch, um, news media and they'll tell you that this is an agenda from the left or an agenda from the right. But the reality is this is what's important to our younger congregate congregants and congregation members. So what are we gonna do? How are we gonna reach them and honesty and openness and justice motivation and helping them experience, um, what they would view as happiness.

Nick Clason (27:26):
Like these are the things that they are looking for. How can we as a church lean into this and help create the types of environments that these types of people go to? Because if we're not careful, we're gonna become like Tom Tido, head coach of the New York Knicks, who's outta touch, who no one wants to play for, and no one wants to go be a part of the team. Like literally the majority of the NBA players don't want to go play for him. Is that the way that younger generations, young adults and Gen Z is looking at your church and your church right now? I'm just gonna be honest, your church can get away with keeping on doing things the way that they've always been done because the majority of the people that you off or a pastor, uh, senior pastor are gonna surround themselves with are going to be the people that say it and do it, and are okay with the way that things have always been done.

Nick Clason (28:21):
And that may work for you for the next five or 10 years. But what about in 10, 15, 20 years when Generation Z is no longer 1920, but they're 25 30 and they've, they haven't been in your church for the last 10 years because you haven't done anything to help reach them and they're off experiencing faith in some other community in some other way. See, here's the reality. Gen Z is not out on Jesus. They are out on institutionalized faith and religion. And I think it's because of some of these reasons. I hope you found this episode helpful. I know in a a few ways it stepped on my toes. I just wanna encourage you, don't give up, keep leaning in the, the, the next generation needs you. And if you are the only person in your church advocating for hybrid, remember that is the value of the next generation.

Nick Clason (29:14):
We, and you and I, we may not have all the answers and that's okay. But what we are doing is we are trying our best to figure out the best way to create flexibility, honesty, co coping mechanisms, justice-oriented content that's going to help make our church one that a younger person is at least aware of and at least excited about being a part of. Thanks so much for hanging in there. Love to have you part of this journey. Make sure you head to the, uh, uh, show notes for, uh, full transcripts of this, uh, show notes, links, resources, all that type of stuff. I'll have some of those, those graphs and the stats that I've mentioned. All of that is available in the show notes. Go ahead there, leave a rating or a review. We would love to talk with you, love to see you over on YouTube or on my TikTok. But until next time, and as always, stay hybrid.